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My experience as a poll worker in Pennsylvania

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Re: My experience as a poll worker in Pennsylvania

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As a non-citizen who had a chance to observe how the process works in California, I was struck by how little emphasis is put in the secrecy of the vote. The whole system looks reasonable except for how easy it can be for poll workers to know what you voted for. Beyond that, the system is clearly geared towards increasing participation and enfranchising as many people as possible (a good thing in a democratic system).

As a non citizen who worked the polls as a clerk, there’s plenty of ballot secrecy. Many people don’t care. But there are procedures in place. Sometimes people do care and they can obscure it.

Once the ballot is in the box, disassociated from the voter then there is no more secrecy concerns.

Re: My experience as a poll worker in Pennsylvania

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This part seems incorrect: > There are strict laws regulating police and poll workers while the polls are open. Police are not allowed within 100 feet of the polling location, unless they're actively voting or there on official business at the request of the election board. Additionally, anyone working at the polls in an official capacity is not allowed to wear any clothing with political messaging. One of the office…

It doesn't seem much different than a "thin blue line" flag. I'd feel the same way as Drew in this situation. If you want to wear a flag, wear a flag.

A "thin blue line" flag also doesn't fit any of the banned criteria. You guys are basically saying that supporting police and military is only done by republicans.

Re: My experience as a poll worker in Pennsylvania

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post #15

This part seems incorrect: > There are strict laws regulating police and poll workers while the polls are open. Police are not allowed within 100 feet of the polling location, unless they're actively voting or there on official business at the request of the election board. Additionally, anyone working at the polls in an official capacity is not allowed to wear any clothing with political messaging. One of the office…

> I'd probably get upset as well if some poll worker tried to tell me I'm not allowed to wear the American flag on my clothes

The flag of the United States is not adulterated with text or anything else in place of its stripes, stars, and field.

Re: My experience as a poll worker in Pennsylvania

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't seem much different than a "thin blue line" flag. I'd feel the same way as Drew in this situation. If you want to wear a flag, wear a flag.

A "thin blue line" flag also doesn't fit any of the banned criteria. You guys are basically saying that supporting police and military is only done by republicans.

It's a logo that is more strongly associated with one political party than another, being worn by someone who is presumably armed and in a position of authority. If you cannot see why this is a problem, I don't think I can explain it any more.

Re: My experience as a poll worker in Pennsylvania

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post #15

This part seems incorrect: > There are strict laws regulating police and poll workers while the polls are open. Police are not allowed within 100 feet of the polling location, unless they're actively voting or there on official business at the request of the election board. Additionally, anyone working at the polls in an official capacity is not allowed to wear any clothing with political messaging. One of the office…

"The American flag with the military oath of enlistment" is not "the American flag", but rather an attempt to make some kind of statement. At best it's political support of the military, at worst it's a possible dog whistle.

A dog whistle for what? There's an awful lot of cagey presumption going on in every reiteration of this claim.

Re: My experience as a poll worker in Pennsylvania

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While reading this I got a sense that all of these anachronistic processes would not exist if voting would be moved online. So many of the contentious issues we see here (mail-in ballots arriving late, machines not printing receipts, etc..) would simply not exist. Online voting seems like such a simpler approach.

The thing is, your grandma can watch a paper process, understand it, and verify that no shenanigans happened during the part that she was watching. But she can't do the same for online voting. She's not going to audit the software used. She's not going to verify network integrity, or authenticate packets. The manual processes are much better for transparency and verifiability . And we really badly need those qualitie…

Yes exactly this so much. I’ve done poll clerk and the security of the process depends on security seals and armed guards and all sorts of things that are easy to understand.

Re: My experience as a poll worker in Pennsylvania

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post #15

This part seems incorrect: > There are strict laws regulating police and poll workers while the polls are open. Police are not allowed within 100 feet of the polling location, unless they're actively voting or there on official business at the request of the election board. Additionally, anyone working at the polls in an official capacity is not allowed to wear any clothing with political messaging. One of the office…

"The American flag with the military oath of enlistment" is not "the American flag", but rather an attempt to make some kind of statement. At best it's political support of the military, at worst it's a possible dog whistle.

So which of "candidate, campaign, or political party" is it? The Biden and Trump campaigns openly supported the military.

Re: My experience as a poll worker in Pennsylvania

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't seem much different than a "thin blue line" flag. I'd feel the same way as Drew in this situation. If you want to wear a flag, wear a flag.

A "thin blue line" flag also doesn't fit any of the banned criteria. You guys are basically saying that supporting police and military is only done by republicans.

It's a symbol of political groups like "Blue Lives Matter"[1] and it has specific connotations in the US[2].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Lives_Matter

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thin_blue_line#Symbols_and_var...

Re: My experience as a poll worker in Pennsylvania

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't seem much different than a "thin blue line" flag. I'd feel the same way as Drew in this situation. If you want to wear a flag, wear a flag.

A "thin blue line" flag also doesn't fit any of the banned criteria. You guys are basically saying that supporting police and military is only done by republicans.

Are you seriously suggesting the "thin blue line" or "back the blue" flags are not political messaging?

Lots of folks with different backgrounds and beliefs "support police and military"; however, the bootlick flags are closely tied to just one party.

Re: My experience as a poll worker in Pennsylvania

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While reading this I got a sense that all of these anachronistic processes would not exist if voting would be moved online. So many of the contentious issues we see here (mail-in ballots arriving late, machines not printing receipts, etc..) would simply not exist. Online voting seems like such a simpler approach.

Decentralized, paper elections are the entire strength of the American system. Rigging an election means dealing with 50 entirely independent processes and modifying/creating millions of physical pieces of paper. Off the top of my head I can think of half a dozen ways to steal a centralized, digital election.
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