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Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Post by acdha »

astura wrote: post #540
kibwen wrote: post #215

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And some pizza doesn't have any cheese at all, such as pizza marinara ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizza_marinara ), which is rare in the US but was pretty common growing up in the Italian portions of Western Pennsylvania.

Supposedly a "plain" pizza in New Haven has only a bit of pecorino romano on it - gotta specifically ask for "mozz" if you want it.

It’s called apizza there, and a plain pie is surprisingly good: the places which do it (we liked Modern & Sallie’s) have really flavorful sauces which carry the day.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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NewOrderNow wrote: post #537
crooked-v wrote: post #450

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First, I'm not a vegan. Second, vegans avoid animal products because they come from animals . Various imitation and substitute products do not come from animals and so are not avoided. Or, tl;dr: You do realize soy milk is very popular among vegans, right?

Apologies, I failed to communicate my point correctly. What I am trying to say is that vegans are trying to engineer a product. So this product the opposite of natural, so what is with the claims of health? I don't know why I used the word "bad" I find it frustrating as a person who only eats meat and vegetables to have to tolerate vegans who claim health benefits. Most vegans I've met are fat.

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Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Post by astura »

NewOrderNow wrote: post #238
dandare wrote: post #214

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The appeal of vegan pizza is that no animals were industrially farmed to make it. If you think your cheese is suffering free you are lying to yourself.

It is more the concept of wanting something you claim to not want by making a fake version of it. Just eat vegan products? It seems like a cognitive dissonance when I see the words vegan and burger together.

Vegans choose to abstain from animal products, not that they "don't want them."

The reasons might be environmental, ethical, moral, or religious, etc... Not important, just that a vegan or vegetarian is simply someone who did a cost-benefit analysis where, to them, the costs of meat (environmental degradation, massive suffering, personal guilt, my-god-said-so, whatever) outweigh the benefits (taste, convenience, social acceptably). That's merely it!

It's not cognitive dissonance to want to enjoy some of the benefits of something without some of the costs - that's what vegan "meat" (at least attempts) to do.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Post by dbetteridge »

martinpw wrote: post #494
mike_d wrote: post #223

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I don't remember the exact details, but the study found that after X days of eating Impossible Burgers mice suffered serious health side effects. So what did they do? Ran another study for X/2 days and resubmitted to the FDA.

You really need to have something more verifiable than that before just throwing around a claim like that. What study are you talking about? You could at least try and find a link.

That would imply such a link exists, seems to be a lot of complete nonsense being thrown around in this thread around nutrition and food.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Post by astura »

sofixa wrote: post #143
markdown wrote: post #141

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What is the appeal of a vegan pizza? Is it even pizza without cheese?

As someone who has eaten vegan pizza, no, it's not, it's an abomination. Just make a veggie/vegan lasagna instead...

What about pizza and lasagna are even remotely comparable? I really like pizza and really hate lasagna. Hate, hate, hate it.

Seriously, I don't know what it is about the lasagna form but the best tasting ingredients on earth end up tasting like garbage when assembled into a lasagna. I don't get it...

Pizza, on the other hand, manages to be mostly enjoyable in its many different forms, including cheese-less (had that once at a fancy restaurant).

They are basically opposite foods from each other as far as I'm concerned.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Post by thefounder »

sc4les wrote: post #515
realisticeater wrote: post #474

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Oh I've seen plenty of pictures and videos and whatnot. I've slaughtered plenty of animals myself (though never a cow, to be honest). I'm not looking away and pretending it doesn't exist. I'm staring at it and saying "yes I approve of that because I like to eat animals". If your argument is that intensive farming is less than ideal, sure, I agree. If your argument is that the solution to that is to stop eating meat,…

That’s saying “I want change but I don’t want to change”

Not really. Just because you enjoy a good steak doesn't mean you agree to torture the animal. Also "happy" animals seem to have better taste so it's a win win.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/8q8984/why-animals-that-died...

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Post by sweetheart »

realisticeater wrote: post #476
sweetheart wrote: post #384

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> Sometimes good food involves suffering It never needs to. You're performing mental gymnastics, I'm sorry. It's never true that this sort of immense suffering just needs to magical occur for the world to operate normally. There are limitless delicious recipes that require 0 suffering, 0 pain, 0 murder. > I don't think we should go out of our way to hurt animals That's what the entirety of animal agriculture is. We g…

Who's talking about murder? I'm not for eating humans lol. This sort of phrasing is intellectually dishonest. > That's what the entirety of animal agriculture is. We go WAAAY out of our way. It's expensive, inefficient, unhealthy, and immoral, and we do it anyway. So are you against eating all meat or in favor of reforming industrial meat farming? These are two very different positions. > It never needs to. Yes I did…

> My taste buds are more important than a given animal's suffering, plain and simple.

lol holy shit. When your reasoning gets to this point, I think we need to back up and appreciate the insanity of what you're saying. Would you be fine with some alien species arriving to Earth and doing all this to you? Would you accept it and think "Ah yes well it is what it is!"

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Post by sweetheart »

thefounder wrote: post #546
sc4les wrote: post #515

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That’s saying “I want change but I don’t want to change”

Not really. Just because you enjoy a good steak doesn't mean you agree to torture the animal. Also "happy" animals seem to have better taste so it's a win win. https://www.vice.com/en/article/8q8984/why-animals-that-died...

How on Earth is it a win for the animal you are raising to then kill? If the cow could talk, do you think it'd describe the situation as a win win? If I keep a slave, and raise them to harvest their organs, and keep them content until their teenage years only to kill them, is that a win win?

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Post by sweetheart »

cercatrova wrote: post #446
sweetheart wrote: post #384

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> Sometimes good food involves suffering It never needs to. You're performing mental gymnastics, I'm sorry. It's never true that this sort of immense suffering just needs to magical occur for the world to operate normally. There are limitless delicious recipes that require 0 suffering, 0 pain, 0 murder. > I don't think we should go out of our way to hurt animals That's what the entirety of animal agriculture is. We g…

Why would it never need to? I can say that a steak is a good food, and by vegans' definition it involves the suffering of a cow, and therefore, sometimes good food involves suffering.

I'm not saying all good food is cruelty free. I'm saying one can eat exclusively delicious food without involving cruelty.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Post by sweetheart »

NewOrderNow wrote: post #538
sweetheart wrote: post #387

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I'm no newbie vegan and I still looooove vegan burgers. I'm "indoctrinated" only insofar that everyone is "indoctrinated" by the gastronomic culture of their upbringing.

I think you just claimed that you are a follower and easier influenced.

What does this even mean? Because I like burgers? What?
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