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Re: .NET 5.0

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Post by lwansbrough »

mattmanser wrote: post #23

So, on the plus side with the new .net, I recently made a .net core web app on Linux, and generally it's been pretty easy. I'm also impressed at just how fast asp.net core is compared to asp.net, the time it takes to open your site in debug mode has dropped dramatically, from what used to be 1/2 minute in asp.net to a few seconds in .net core. On the bad side? Mainly the asp.net core team and their push for Dependenc…

Authentication is in the request pipeline, so it makes sense that it's async if you're talking to some sort of storage engine. We're using the async APIs to pull user/client app information from our database. Why would we want that to be synchronous?

Re: .NET 5.0

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Post by mmd45 »

is this an in-place update to the netcore3.1 runtime or does it install side by side for net5.0? just want to know what kind of risk it is to install. i got bit by the netfx48 in place update.

Re: .NET 5.0

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Post by brainzap »

mattmanser wrote: post #23

So, on the plus side with the new .net, I recently made a .net core web app on Linux, and generally it's been pretty easy. I'm also impressed at just how fast asp.net core is compared to asp.net, the time it takes to open your site in debug mode has dropped dramatically, from what used to be 1/2 minute in asp.net to a few seconds in .net core. On the bad side? Mainly the asp.net core team and their push for Dependenc…

alternatives?

Re: .NET 5.0

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Post by tester756 »

mattmanser wrote: post #23

So, on the plus side with the new .net, I recently made a .net core web app on Linux, and generally it's been pretty easy. I'm also impressed at just how fast asp.net core is compared to asp.net, the time it takes to open your site in debug mode has dropped dramatically, from what used to be 1/2 minute in asp.net to a few seconds in .net core. On the bad side? Mainly the asp.net core team and their push for Dependenc…

>and you're in for an even bigger nightmare if you want to separate business logic and web code into two projects (which is a pretty common design). I've given up with the config DI and just assign them all to static variables.

So you have static variable in web project and then add reference to web project to obtain that config? Do I get that right?

I never felt like config DI was a problem once you did all the stuff that you do at the beginning of the project

Re: .NET 5.0

#35

Post by cpitman »

qz2 wrote: post #15
apalmer wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting, I always felt C# was a step ahead of Java, while the JVM was some steps ahead of the CLR.

The language is absolutely brilliant and I love it. It's the vendor's schizophrenia that's the problem. I've run out of fingers to count things that have been deprecated painfully on after being promoted as the next greatest thing and sold hard. This has cost me, my clients and my employers ridiculous amounts of money to unfuck.

Totally fair, anyone in the Microsoft development ecosystem has to learn to be incredibly skeptical of anything new. Anytime I spent on adopting Silverlight was essentially wasted. I had one client that had adopted a random WYSIWYG released by Microsoft to design WCF services, when anyone experienced in the ecosystem knew it had abandonware written all over it.

Of course, other ecosystems have their own versions of this. But Microsoft might be the only one that essentially controls an entire ecosystem and still manages to give devs whiplash.

Re: .NET 5.0

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Post by zwieback »

dustinmoris wrote: post #4

> It’s already in active use by teams at Microsoft and other companies... This means nothing anymore. MSFT says that about everything they release and users are still often left with the feeling that they are guinea pigs testing a very unfinished product. > For Visual Studio users, you need Visual Studio 16.8 or later to use .NET 5.0 on Windows and the latest version of Visual Studio for Mac) on macOS. The C# extensi…

Disagree, I've used VS since it was called VC++ and it's gotten steadily better. If you can afford to run a large-footprint IDE I think VS is pretty great. VSCode is an entirely different thing and I like it as well.

But then, I also like Vi and Eclipse so maybe I'm just too forgiving...

Re: .NET 5.0

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Post by tester756 »

Lendal wrote: post #29
mattmanser wrote: post #23

So, on the plus side with the new .net, I recently made a .net core web app on Linux, and generally it's been pretty easy. I'm also impressed at just how fast asp.net core is compared to asp.net, the time it takes to open your site in debug mode has dropped dramatically, from what used to be 1/2 minute in asp.net to a few seconds in .net core. On the bad side? Mainly the asp.net core team and their push for Dependenc…

I found Go to be a really nice replacement for C#. It has the static typing and garbage collection, but you also get a self-contained binary executing without the requirement of an external runtime environment. I also discovered that I don't miss classes at all.

>but you also get a self-contained binary executing without the requirement of an external runtime environment.

I'm not sure whether we're talking about the same thing, but you can publish Self-Contained App (basically your app and framework together) and you don't have to install anything.

Re: .NET 5.0

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Post by nwah1 »

Congratulations to the team.

Microsoft has made exceptional strides in terms of performance and compatibility.

The whole vision is what is really impressive, not any individual part.

It is cross-platform, open source, and has almost complete coverage of the old .NET APIs. The new csproj format is vastly superior. The new dotnet CLI is a pleasure to use.

Many of the surrounding libraries like ASP.NET, Kestrel, LINQ, Entity Framework Core, System.Text.Json, etc are best in class.

I look forward to the Linker becoming stable, as this will really help in contexts such as Azure Functions and AWS Lambda.

Re: .NET 5.0

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Post by lwansbrough »

Lendal wrote: post #29
mattmanser wrote: post #23

So, on the plus side with the new .net, I recently made a .net core web app on Linux, and generally it's been pretty easy. I'm also impressed at just how fast asp.net core is compared to asp.net, the time it takes to open your site in debug mode has dropped dramatically, from what used to be 1/2 minute in asp.net to a few seconds in .net core. On the bad side? Mainly the asp.net core team and their push for Dependenc…

I found Go to be a really nice replacement for C#. It has the static typing and garbage collection, but you also get a self-contained binary executing without the requirement of an external runtime environment. I also discovered that I don't miss classes at all.

You don't need the .NET runtime installed on the target host.

Re: .NET 5.0

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Post by Someone1234 »

> From what we’ve seen and heard so far, .NET 5.0 delivers significant value without much effort to upgrade.

From the previous version of .Net Core only. They've done absolutely nothing to make migrating from MVC 5 any easier, while proclaiming that this somehow merges .Net Framework and .Net Core. Going from MVC 5 to .Net 5.0 MVC is a complete re-write of the web layer from an empty project upon up (even according to their own article[0]).

I think the poor messaging on .Net 5.0 bugs me more than the actual work required for the mitigation (which hasn't changed significantly). .Net 5.0 is just .NET Core 4 with a fancy new name.

[0] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/aspnet/core/migration/mvc?v...

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