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Parler 'free speech' app tops charts in wake of Trump defeat

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Re: Parler 'free speech' app tops charts in wake of Trump defeat

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> adds 2M users in a single day I'd love this to be true. A fast moving populace that can uptake tech quickly. But I've never heard of numbers like these. Where does this number come from? Where are the campaigns pushing this being run? I simply don't believe it without more of an explanation. Did BBC fact check this?

This was my question as well. It’s actually sort of funny that people complain about the “left wing media” when the BBC and others are uncritically parroting a press release from a right wing echo chamber.

Re: Parler 'free speech' app tops charts in wake of Trump defeat

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They have given the option to disable the algorithmic timeline. This has been a game changer for me. I can use twitter without fear of being exposed to unction.

Really? That was the single most annoying thing they had done. I switched to using tweetdeck just to escape that change. Is it disabled permanently when you turn it off now? The "you can turn it off but we'll automatically turn it back on" bit was mind blowingly terrible.

Yes it was awful wasn't it. It pretty much turned me off twitter altogether. These days there is an icon on the top right of the app, or web page that looks like a constellation of stars. If you click that you get the option to go back to good twitter.

Re: Parler 'free speech' app tops charts in wake of Trump defeat

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> their terms of service prohibit inciting terrorism or acts of violence – issues that 4chan/etc deal with by allowing it 4chan and similar communities typically comply with local laws[1], which means no incitation to violence/terrorism (and if you spent some time there vs. only reading articles about it, you'd see this is enforced).

(footnote missing?) I'm not entirely convinced by this, since there are a lot of local laws and I don't believe 4chan keeps a big database of which posts are visible in which jurisdictions? Do they have an equivalent of Twitter's is_nazi flag? ( https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/tweet-withhel... / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a )

4chan's only infrastructure is in California, so they really only have to abide by California and US laws. Only way for other countries to make them abide is via blocking them, which may not really be worth the effort if there are only a smattering of users in your jurisdiction using it

Re: Parler 'free speech' app tops charts in wake of Trump defeat

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> fail to make it big and remain a niche thing for those trolls who enjoy the edginess, It would fail on those terms as well due to irrelevance: When your political agenda consists of annoying and offending "the other", they need to be present to take offence. If they're not listening, where's the fun? The "echo chamber" aspect takes all the fun out of the performative cruelty.

You are making an assumption that it's primarily about performative cruelty. But I would guess a non-trivial amount of them are just looking for a place where they feel safe talking about what they believe. Every slice of the political/cultural spectrum has it's trolls but they trolls are not representative of the general population. I may think much of what the other side says is reprehensible but I can generally te…

In this case it comes from the very top and is a big factor.

Newly elected U.S House rep telling ppl that voted against him to cry more.

https://i.redd.it/uv97gw1bb5x51.jpg

Trump Jr. in front of Trump asking the crowd to make the liberals cry.

https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1323527158816333824

Re: Parler 'free speech' app tops charts in wake of Trump defeat

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> fail to make it big and remain a niche thing for those trolls who enjoy the edginess, It would fail on those terms as well due to irrelevance: When your political agenda consists of annoying and offending "the other", they need to be present to take offence. If they're not listening, where's the fun? The "echo chamber" aspect takes all the fun out of the performative cruelty.

> When your political agenda consists of annoying and offending "the other", they need to be present to take offense. I'm not sure what you mean by "the other". "The other" is an actual concept signifying people who are somehow excluded from society. Rarely do people get banned for going after "the other". Most of these people get banned for going after mainstream journalists and politicians. Many don't get banned fo…

I think they meant things like these https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25046160

Re: Parler 'free speech' app tops charts in wake of Trump defeat

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That doesn’t mean they don’t have a massive potential market. All the centre right people who see Twitter banning people for questioning unlimited immigration, or trans men competing against women in sport, and feel like current social media companies aren’t for them. I think in this election Twitter definitely, but also Facebook have taken sides. There are a lot of normal, decent right wing people out there, despite…

Do you have sources for people being banned for those reasons? I have not heard of these cases

It's not exactly the same but this article talks about a gay guy being banned for (supposedly) pointing out that there are very non-binary people in the world, and objecting to the idea that language should be changed to accomodate them:

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2019/10/19/t...

The article quotes some of his tweets on the topic.

Re: Parler 'free speech' app tops charts in wake of Trump defeat

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Really? That was the single most annoying thing they had done. I switched to using tweetdeck just to escape that change. Is it disabled permanently when you turn it off now? The "you can turn it off but we'll automatically turn it back on" bit was mind blowingly terrible.

Yes it was awful wasn't it. It pretty much turned me off twitter altogether. These days there is an icon on the top right of the app, or web page that looks like a constellation of stars. If you click that you get the option to go back to good twitter.

The stars option will switch back automatically though after some period of time, which is why I switched to https://tweetdeck.twitter.com for my interface.

Re: Parler 'free speech' app tops charts in wake of Trump defeat

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> fail to make it big and remain a niche thing for those trolls who enjoy the edginess, It would fail on those terms as well due to irrelevance: When your political agenda consists of annoying and offending "the other", they need to be present to take offence. If they're not listening, where's the fun? The "echo chamber" aspect takes all the fun out of the performative cruelty.

You are making an assumption that it's primarily about performative cruelty. But I would guess a non-trivial amount of them are just looking for a place where they feel safe talking about what they believe. Every slice of the political/cultural spectrum has it's trolls but they trolls are not representative of the general population. I may think much of what the other side says is reprehensible but I can generally te…

I've seen what they post when they're "speaking their mind"

It almost always devolves into "jokes" about getting state approval to shoot immigrants, refugees, minorities in open ranges, or providing "helicopter rides" - a reference to dropping people from helicopters.

This is what currently unifies the right wing of US politics.

Re: Parler 'free speech' app tops charts in wake of Trump defeat

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You think that Trump being silenced is less of an echo chamber?

What does “silenced” mean to you?

Twitter is covering up many of his tweets, saying that they are debatable, you can't just scroll down his feed and see what has been said, you need to click on each one by one, click back again to see what he has said, hindering the user experience massively.

Meanwhile the flat earth society doesn't have any of it's tweets disputed.

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