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I find it amusing that congress is seeking to ban E2EE, yet the FTC fining a company that lied about doing it.
It's not really a contradiction if you think about it.
I wish executives would start going to jail over this stuff. Bet they'd stop lying to their customers then.
so, drop Zoom, use a Free and Open-Source alternative. Example: Jitsi (jitsi.org) . It has more rough edges, but it works.
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It's not really a contradiction if you think about it.
Yep. They're fining the customer fraud, not the lack of E2EE. I wish executives would start going to jail over this stuff. Bet they'd stop lying to their customers then.
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> Even with open source software you will never know what is actually running on the servers. If the clients are open-source and properly implement end-to-end encryption, and you verify that they are not sending your keys to the servers, then what is running on the servers is irrelevant.
... if you have the technical expertise to audit the full source code, and run and audit your own build (on both ends).
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I think a better distinction is 'paying customers' and 'non-paying customers'. Customers being a subset of users after all makes it a bit ambiguous. Not that it should matter in the context of the feature being described.
I'm still not a native English speaker, but a Google search shows that non-paying customers are people who don't pay their bills, which is not the same thing as users who don't have bills to pay. Also as I wrote, Zoom was thinking of selling E2E encryption as a payed feature, that's why the distinction really matters (I would happily pay for it if that would give me a strong assurance that I just don't have so far).
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I think a better distinction is 'paying customers' and 'non-paying customers'. Customers being a subset of users after all makes it a bit ambiguous. Not that it should matter in the context of the feature being described.
I'm still not a native English speaker, but a Google search shows that non-paying customers are people who don't pay their bills, which is not the same thing as users who don't have bills to pay. Also as I wrote, Zoom was thinking of selling E2E encryption as a payed feature, that's why the distinction really matters (I would happily pay for it if that would give me a strong assurance that I just don't have so far).
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"Here are the keys to your new car" "Where are the wheels?" "Well... we delivered most of what was purchased so you don't get to complain."
Good example. If you bought a $40k car and it didn't come with wheels, the damages would be the amount to remedy the missing wheels, not $40k.
What other popular group video meeting tools are e2e? I know of none. I remember reading a while back that Zoom claimed a few times they were e2e-encrypted, but what they meant was transport encryption.