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Back in the good ol' days, you could just take the exam inside of a VM. The VM is locked down, but the host isn't. Looks like from ProctorU's docs[1] that they got around to probing for the (blatantly obvious[2]) signatures of a VM and stopped that trick. I wonder if those signatures exist in a Windows Sandbox[3] instance, or if you can detect/block the Enhanced RDP Session Windows leverages when running a Sandbox...…
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> I imagine it wouldn't be terribly hard to run the machines so that only one full-screen window is shown, or a user for whom the internet is disabled. Is that not enough? Many of the anti-cheating software will also run the webcam and yell at you if it thinks you aren't paying attention to only the screen, while recording everything on your screen. And students are being forced to install this on their home machines…
> And students are being forced to install this on their home machines. Wait, what if I work from home and my kid is sitting in the living room as well. I get recorded then? WTF??? Who owns these machines? Is it the parents or the school or the government or who? What if they decline? Can someone explain why a child has to accept that they are being watched on a webcam without their consent? Without the consent of th…
If the software detects that you're in the room your kid fails.
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> And students are being forced to install this on their home machines. Wait, what if I work from home and my kid is sitting in the living room as well. I get recorded then? WTF??? Who owns these machines? Is it the parents or the school or the government or who? What if they decline? Can someone explain why a child has to accept that they are being watched on a webcam without their consent? Without the consent of th…
> Wait, what if I work from home and my kid is sitting in the living room as well. I get recorded then? WTF??? If the software detects that you're in the room your kid fails.
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What kind of cheat does it prevent? I imagine it wouldn't be terribly hard to run the machines so that only one full-screen window is shown, or a user for whom the internet is disabled. Is that not enough?
> What kind of cheat does it prevent? Not much. When lockdowns first started I remember seeing _tons_ of first and second hand accounts of all the ways anti-cheating software failed when exposed to the real world. > I imagine it wouldn't be terribly hard to run the machines so that only one full-screen window is shown, or a user for whom the internet is disabled. Is that not enough? It can be a little tricky. We put…
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> Wait, what if I work from home and my kid is sitting in the living room as well. I get recorded then? WTF??? If the software detects that you're in the room your kid fails.
Then my kid would fail, or they'd have to use their bedroom. Which is, IMO, a very private space.
Being tested by people who mostly have never even worked the job you're supposedly preparing for using methods that don't represent the way you'll actually be working seems a complete waste of time and money. Increasingly the more talented individuals I'm working with in my job I see more and more that never even went through any of that in the first place.
I can imagine a way that it would be valuable but really you'd have to start from scratch, there is too much cruft.
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Then my kid would fail, or they'd have to use their bedroom. Which is, IMO, a very private space.
Too bad your opinion doesn’t matter. That is how this stuff works, you are not the first to complain, they’ve heard every argument you can come up with before and they don’t care.
At what point can we stop pretending most universities prepare you for the job market? If your a professor that cares about Google give a rapid oral exam. If your a college professor giving multiple choice or other memorization based formats, what value are you providing over free online courses? Frankly, if your institution "has" to use this sort of software, it's not worth attending.
While I agree with you that most universities don't generally prepare you for the job market (especially when it comes to CS), this is not an option for almost all students: > if your institution "has" to use this sort of software, it's not worth attending Because of the sheer number of applicants in many places, whether a person has a relevant college degree and how much they scored in college is often the first "fi…
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Too bad your opinion doesn’t matter. That is how this stuff works, you are not the first to complain, they’ve heard every argument you can come up with before and they don’t care.
While I am not from USA, supposedly in USA people also care about privacy. My opinion as a parent matters in the context of my child (as I am legally responsible), and in the end what matters is the law (which is above "don't care"). I'm very curious if this is even legal, and if so, in which jurisdictions. If I don't give my child permission to have a camera active in my private space, what is going to happen?
Your child will not be allowed to take the exam.
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Some people are slower runners, that doesn't mean we should slow down everyone else on a ball field.
A person taking a test more slowly has no effect on the people who finish more quickly.
Perhaps its unfair that they get no benefit for being better, no?