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McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Some vegans don't want burgers, but some vegans just want an animal-free version of food experiences already familiar to them.

Why? What you claim is familiar is "bad" right?

Vegans object to eating animal products, not to eating things that happen to resemble animal products.

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What is the appeal of a vegan pizza? Is it even pizza without cheese?

I can't speak for vegan pizza, but turkey bacon is legit. No pigs were killed either.

It can be good, but that doesn't make it bacon.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Why? What you claim is familiar is "bad" right?

Vegans object to eating animal products , not to eating things that happen to resemble animal products.

You just repeated yourself. So I ask again why when you claim that this is something you think is bad. By conception, you want something that is not what you claim to desire. It is engineered and the opposite of natural by design.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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What is the appeal of a vegan pizza? Is it even pizza without cheese?

Most Italian pizza has rather little cheese. I remember watching something once where the chef of a fancy pizzeria said that the most important thing in pizza is the bread: it should taste great without any topping. Then the sauce and finally everything else. I've had a great vegan pizza once and between bread, sauce and toppings, it tasted like great Italian-style pizza. Sure, a sprinkle of cheese would have made it…

Well, there's a wide variety of "American" style.

First two main distinctions: NY/NJ style, which is generally the traditional American pizza. 1" crust, a little crispy, thin body, sauce, lots of cheese. This has a few variations though, most notable "thin crust", which is often cracker-thin and very firm & crispy, the body much thinner too.

The other main variety is Chicago deep-dish pizza, which is very thick, anywhere from 1-3 inches deep in my experience.

Both of these in their pure forms are difficult to find outside of their regions. But the NY/NJ style is popping up in places around the country. North Carolina Charlotte area for example, as transplants from the North-East find their way to other parts of the country.

Then there's the various pizza chains: Pizza Hut, Dominos, Papa Johns... most of their pizzas most closely resemble the NY/NJ, but that's putting it loosely. They're sort of like a McDonald's Big Mac compared to a steak house burger, except at least for me, I sometimes just want the Big Mac, but I'd never choose the chain pizza when the alternative is available.

Let me be clear though: some people are purists to one type or another and consider other varieties, or chain pizzas, to be blasphemy. But if you put aside ideological considerations, almost all pizza is fundamentally good. You can find bad pizza, but it's harder than finding good pizza. (Let the downvotes roll in from Chicago/NY purists :D )

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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There are many ways to make pesto, and to make it plant based as well. My current favourite when preparing it myself is to grind smoked roasted almonds and nutritional yeast flakes.

It's not even funny how Italian and Indian food are so trivially made vegan!

Most Indian food is not vegan. We use a lot of dairy products in our cooking. The vegetarian stuff is still awesome though.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

#366

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Some vegans don't want burgers, but some vegans just want an animal-free version of food experiences already familiar to them.

Why? What you claim is familiar is "bad" right?

The only "bad" burger to the op is the traditional definition that includes meat. Burger as a concept of two-breads, some toppings, and a patty (arguibly a melt?) is fine.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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But vegans want burgers, they just don’t want to kill an animal for that burger. This is no different than someone making a turkey burger because they don’t like beef. For some reason, only vegans get called out for making substitutions.

"Vegans" aren't who really want burgers. Newbie vegans who have been indoctrinated by a lifetime burger culture. Burgers aren't a huge deal in Asia, for example.

> Burgers aren't a huge deal in Asia, for example.

Asia is a big place, but for example in China pretty much everything has a small amount of pork as a minor ingredient/seasoning; "vegan" dishes are the pitiable food of the poor; and the word for household is literally a roof with a pig underneath it

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Recipe please?

you can google cashew mozzarella. They're all basically cashew, tapioca starch (makes it stretchy), flavorings (miso/nutritional yeast/etc), garlic, and a liquid (water/non-dairy yogurt/etc). The ingredients are blended, then cooked until it thickens.

> you can google cashew mozzarella.

I'm sure I can, but the GGP's recipe sounded particularly good! Ok thanks.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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I think it’ll be a big win when plant-based burgers are cheaper than animal based burgers. From a raw ingredients standpoint plant based food should almost always be cheaper than animal based food because the costs associated with farming plants is lower than the costs associated with farming animals. Hopefully, with McDonald’s scale and with their vertical integration they can make affordable, tasty, and comparably…

Not so fast with the health talk. Vegetable oils are most likely carcinogenic, amid other health issues (GI, heart) [0]. Red meat is not [1] Further, these fake meats, Impossible Burger namely, have been linked to kidney failure in mice studies [2] (one commissioned by the Impossible Foods manufacturer). In particular: " * A rat feeding study commissioned by the manufacturer Impossible Foods found that rats fed SLH […

Must be why vegans and vegetarians die so much younger! Oh wait...

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Can someone help me to understand all of the pessimism surrounding plant-based meat? Of all of the morally-dubious technologies in the world today, this seems like a force of unequivocal good, and yet the criticism is endless: "it's not healthier", "the name sucks", "it'll give you cancer". All of these just seem to be missing the point that it's _no worse than meat_ in most respects, and _way better_ in others (i.e.…

> Can someone help me to understand all of the pessimism surrounding plant-based meat?

Think about what you wrote. Plant-based "meat". Would you eat a meat based salad that was created in a lab?

> "it's not healthier", "the name sucks", "it'll give you cancer".

It's not healthier, it's name does suck and god knows what it will give you. It's the most inorganic lab grown processed burger you can possibly have.

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