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McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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What is the appeal of a vegan pizza? Is it even pizza without cheese?

I make cashew "mozzarella" for my vegan pizza. Everybody I know absolutely loves it.

cashew is the best method of faux cheese. It has the creaminess and a good melt, but doesn't brown right.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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I think it’ll be a big win when plant-based burgers are cheaper than animal based burgers. From a raw ingredients standpoint plant based food should almost always be cheaper than animal based food because the costs associated with farming plants is lower than the costs associated with farming animals. Hopefully, with McDonald’s scale and with their vertical integration they can make affordable, tasty, and comparably…

Not so fast with the health talk.

Vegetable oils are most likely carcinogenic, amid other health issues (GI, heart) [0]. Red meat is not [1]

Further, these fake meats, Impossible Burger namely, have been linked to kidney failure in mice studies [2] (one commissioned by the Impossible Foods manufacturer). In particular:

" * A rat feeding study commissioned by the manufacturer Impossible Foods found that rats fed SLH [soy leghemoglobin] developed unexplained changes in weight gain, changes in the blood that can indicate the onset of inflammation or kidney disease, and possible signs of anemia

* Impossible Foods dismissed these statistically significant effects as “non-adverse” or as having “no toxicological relevance” "

I understand these aren't as good test subjects as human studies, however it seems under the guise of the green movement, this evidence has been willfully ignored, or just not known. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[0] - https://www.organicconsumers.org/news/why-vegetable-oils-are...

[1] - https://www.theguardian.com/food/2019/sep/30/research-red-me...

[2] - https://www.gmoscience.org/rat-feeding-studies-suggest-the-i...

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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I think it’ll be a big win when plant-based burgers are cheaper than animal based burgers. From a raw ingredients standpoint plant based food should almost always be cheaper than animal based food because the costs associated with farming plants is lower than the costs associated with farming animals. Hopefully, with McDonald’s scale and with their vertical integration they can make affordable, tasty, and comparably…

> and comparably healthy Every plant-based meat I'm aware of has been processed to hell and back, so I'm dubious of the claims that they are healthier.

What inherent trait of "processing" makes a food unhealthy?

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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What is the appeal of a vegan pizza? Is it even pizza without cheese?

There are a few groups that are making "real" vegan cheese, ie modifying e-coli or yeast to produce the same milk proteins, and then going through the cheese making process. One such is Real Vegan Cheese [ https://realvegancheese.org/ ].

Godspeed to the marketing team that has to go to market with "modified e-coli".

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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post #58

I think it’ll be a big win when plant-based burgers are cheaper than animal based burgers. From a raw ingredients standpoint plant based food should almost always be cheaper than animal based food because the costs associated with farming plants is lower than the costs associated with farming animals. Hopefully, with McDonald’s scale and with their vertical integration they can make affordable, tasty, and comparably…

a veggie burger is almost always not healthier.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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post #58

I think it’ll be a big win when plant-based burgers are cheaper than animal based burgers. From a raw ingredients standpoint plant based food should almost always be cheaper than animal based food because the costs associated with farming plants is lower than the costs associated with farming animals. Hopefully, with McDonald’s scale and with their vertical integration they can make affordable, tasty, and comparably…

> and comparably healthy Every plant-based meat I'm aware of has been processed to hell and back, so I'm dubious of the claims that they are healthier.

Get ready for the future. A Finnish company can make protein from air and electricity now. Once they figure out carbohydrates, oils, sugar, starch, we may give up growing food corn entirely.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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As someone who has eaten vegan pizza, no, it's not, it's an abomination. Just make a veggie/vegan lasagna instead...

I've found so far, vegan cheese either melts and doesn't taste good or doesn't melt and tastes good. And by good I mean in comparison to mass produced cheese. It'll be awhile before there's a good, vegan alternative to homemade mozzarella. However, there doesn't need to be. The vast majority of cheesy/non-vegan food that's eaten is low quality ingredients.

It’s a taste thing which varies person to person. Andy’s vegan margarita pizza is my favorite and the cheese scratches all the boxes for me. I’ve had fine vegan mozzarellas various places though. Might be time to try again or just encourage people to try for themselves as tastes aren’t universal.

Re: McDonald's is adding plant-based burgers to the menu

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"buried the news about reduced calories and fat in the tiniest type on the remotest corner of their Web site." Exept how do you reach your target audience now? Vegans wont be checking the remotest corner of the mcdonalds website every sunday. Worst of all, you'll probaly piss off meat eaters who might feel deceived, your main customer.

US vegans will not be partaking any time soon. McDonalds still uses beef and milk along with oil for the fries. In other counties I believe McDonalds uses vegetable oil for the fries.

> along with oil for the fries.

They use vegetable oil in the US. The reason why McDonald fries are not vegan is due to the flavoring, not the oil.

From https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/product/small-french-frie...

> French Fries

> Ingredients: Potatoes, Vegetable Oil (canola Oil, Corn Oil, Soybean Oil, Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Natural Beef Flavor [wheat And Milk Derivatives]), Dextrose, Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate (maintain Color), Salt. natural Beef Flavor Contains Hydrolyzed Wheat And Hydrolyzed Milk As Starting Ingredients. >Contains: Wheat, Milk.

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