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Re: Why Rust Is the Future of Game Development

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Post by throw_m239339 »

macspoofing wrote: post #31
bigbubba wrote: post #11

I haven't worked in the games industry so please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't game development culture one of rushing crude hacks out the door at the last minute? Rust seems like a poor 'culture fit' in this regard.

>Rust seems like a poor 'culture fit' in this regard. How would Rust prevent "rushing crude hacks out the door at the last minute"?

> How would Rust prevent "rushing crude hacks out the door at the last minute"?

Because game developers would be fighting the borrow checker instead of shipping leaky code that compiles without hurdle?

Re: Why Rust Is the Future of Game Development

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Post by shmerl »

Thaxll wrote: post #4

Let me tell you that most C++ game dev never heard of Rust, so imagine how long it's going to take for Rust to be something usable in that domain? Right now in the real world of AAA games it is nowhere, it's not even a consideration so calling it "Rust Is the Future of Game Development" right ... For those who don't work in games, the tech there move very slowly, it's not your typical SV "let's use the latest fun and…

C++ developers who never heard of Rust sounds rather strange to me, like they are stranded on some isolated island.

Re: Why Rust Is the Future of Game Development

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Post by hvasilev »

Two weeks ago Rust was the future of embedded systems (it is not) and now it is the future of Game Development (it is not). I'm starting to think that people's opinion shouldn't be taken seriously unless they have like at least 20 years of experience in a particular field.

Re: Why Rust Is the Future of Game Development

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Post by taeric »

Jaxan wrote: post #27
lstodd wrote: post #9

Let me tell you that the future of game development is in developing games, and any particular language has nothing to do with it. Does anyone care what language were any particular games that keep being replayed or remembered fondly? No. Never.

It is important: I have very good memories of flash games. But those are now unplayable. (Well, I guess you can still run flash. But it doesn’t work out of the box.) The technology in which a game is made does matter a bit.

Rust likey won't help here. Will just be in a place where things won't compile in the future despite being the same language.

This is something our industry seems bent on doing. To hell with stability at the foundational level. Progress is measured in features. And those have gotten pushed to the foundation.

Re: Why Rust Is the Future of Game Development

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Post by bigbubba »

St_Alfonzo wrote: post #26
lstodd wrote: post #9

Let me tell you that the future of game development is in developing games, and any particular language has nothing to do with it. Does anyone care what language were any particular games that keep being replayed or remembered fondly? No. Never.

Minecraft is a good example where people talk about the programming language. The portability of Java was a benefit for both Server and Client. But it was also critized because of the inefficiency of Java. I dont know if all this would have been better in Rust or other languages.

Microsoft now has a second parallel implementation of Minecraft in C++. They've ported this to numerous platforms, but notably not MacOS or Linux desktops.

(It's also substantially faster, but comparing it to Java edition is sort of unfair because there are a myriad of differences between the two in game mechanics, with many of the differences probably being relevant to performance.)

Re: Why Rust Is the Future of Game Development

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Post by dimes »

Having tried writing a game engine in Rust, I can't imagine that Rust would become the future of game development. Lack of safety is a feature in game development, because the optimizations required are typically unorthodox and a super strict language slows development down. Additionally, object ownership can be unclear in a game development setting, which typically makes use of global variables for state. The benefits of using Rust over C++ for game development are unclear in these regards.

Re: Why Rust Is the Future of Game Development

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Post by gmueckl »

St_Alfonzo wrote: post #26
lstodd wrote: post #9

Let me tell you that the future of game development is in developing games, and any particular language has nothing to do with it. Does anyone care what language were any particular games that keep being replayed or remembered fondly? No. Never.

Minecraft is a good example where people talk about the programming language. The portability of Java was a benefit for both Server and Client. But it was also critized because of the inefficiency of Java. I dont know if all this would have been better in Rust or other languages.

I don't know for certain, but Java might be one of the reasons for Minecraft being as good as it is as a game. The comparatively minimalistic high level nature of that language leaves few possibilities to get lost in system level optimizations. And iterating in Java is a lot quicker than in C++ or Rust. It is an environment that helps focussing on game logic.

Re: Why Rust Is the Future of Game Development

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Post by adamnemecek »

hvasilev wrote: post #43

Two weeks ago Rust was the future of embedded systems (it is not) and now it is the future of Game Development (it is not). I'm starting to think that people's opinion shouldn't be taken seriously unless they have like at least 20 years of experience in a particular field.

I mean C and CPP are used in both fields so it's not hard to imagine that since Rust is trying to replace both languages, that it would become popular in the two fields as well.

Re: Why Rust Is the Future of Game Development

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Post by brundolf »

Thaxll wrote: post #4

Let me tell you that most C++ game dev never heard of Rust, so imagine how long it's going to take for Rust to be something usable in that domain? Right now in the real world of AAA games it is nowhere, it's not even a consideration so calling it "Rust Is the Future of Game Development" right ... For those who don't work in games, the tech there move very slowly, it's not your typical SV "let's use the latest fun and…

"Future" doesn't have to mean "this year"
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