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Post by trinovantes »

Lio wrote: post #324
cercatrova wrote: post #147

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You offer a copyleft license like AGPL but also offer a paid license for those who don't want to deal with AGPL. Since you as the creator own the copyright, you can license it however you want, including multiple licenses simultaneously.

Forgive me for a naive question but how do external contributions to the AGPL code find their way back to the commercially licenced code? Are all contributions to the "original" pre-licenced source? If so is there some extra legalese to ensure that the changes will always end up in the AGPL source too? I know of many successful projects using dual licencing so it must work, I'm just wondering how on a legal front.

The contributor would need to either:

- Agree to a Contributor License Agreement that grants the project owner an irrevocable world-wide commercial license (probably missing a few adjectives but you get the idea)

- Transfer the copyright

- Release to public domain

Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

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Post by lixtra »

sbuk wrote: post #174
echelon wrote: post #60

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> Spotify You don't own the music. You can't share it, use your own software to analyze, shuffle, remix it, etc. > Netflix subscription But now there's Hulu, Disney+, Amazon Prime, HBO Go, Showtime Anytime, Peacock Premium, etc. Except now instead of one easy to use interface to access it all, it's spread out all over the place and inconsistent as hell. And more expensive!

You never did “own” it on a CD, or for that matter a on vinyl or cassette. You owned a license to privately listen to your copy of the music, that lasts as long as the medium is playable. Recording from the radio is technically unlawful, as is playing the music at large gatherings or broadcasting the music. Same goes for video cassettes, DVDs and other mediums. What you do own is a physical copy of the music/film. Yo…

> Recording from the radio is technically unlawful

I thought this was settled the other way in https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corp._of_America_v._Uni....

Re: No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This

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Post by dredds »

cercatrova wrote: post #209

Why do people create something and explicitly license it under an open source license and are then surprised when it's used as the license permits? I can see a few possible reasons: 1. Culture: GitHub seems to have the culture of people using and putting out their code as open source just because everyone else is doing it, or they just don't know or care to do enough research about software licenses. 2. Promotion: op…

Promoting yourself on Github hasn't had much in the way of features thus far. The profile's Readme.md being a tiny step in that direction. Unsure if future steps will include "social-networky" stuff, as a way of enhancing the GH Culture as you put it. Other sites have forums where people with different skills organize to collaborate (GFX, Audio, Coding, Promotion)

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Post by phaemon »

diordiderot wrote: post #86
tlarkworthy wrote: post #25

I am not religious but labourers in the vineyard stuck with me from school: The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble(D) against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they…

Making an ethical judgment based on religious text is a serious folly.

Dismissing a text, simply because some people consider it holy, seems a worse folly.

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Post by emersion »

3pt14159 wrote: post #63
ganafagol wrote: post #32

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I agree with your sentiment, but this is not the right reaction. It won't improve anything. What's the point of open source if companies just steal it, build billion dollar industries on top, and then lock everything down? You are free to adjust the license to prevent this. But then tomorrow everybody comes and rants about that the GPL is too restrictive. That's the price we pay for this. It's the license that keeps…

I don't want GPL. I want a license that prevents unpaid use by any entity that has any stakeholder worth more than a billion USD. That's it. That's all I want. MIT-Billionaires. Want to take funding from A16Z? That's a million a year for the license or something that maybe scales with a market cap just to level the playing field between a funded startup and Apple Computers. Don't get me wrong, I love Apple, but I don…

This means you're no longer producing open-source software. You're now producing proprietary software.

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Post by justinclift »

erinnh wrote: post #308
SomeoneFromCA wrote: post #259

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OpenPose

Not really open source, though, is it?

Looking at their GitHub repo, you're right: https://github.com/CMU-Perceptual-Computing-Lab/openpose#lic...

  OpenPose is freely available for free non-commercial use,
  and may be redistributed under these conditions.

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Post by rorykoehler »

tubularhells wrote: post #299
rorykoehler wrote: post #125

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I just stopped watching things. Kind of a strange outcome but I'm also more happy with it than expected.

I haven't watched a lot of things the past 10 years. A couple movies with friends, but I can count those on one hand. I don't really miss it. Some friends find t weird and try to push recommendations still, and I thank them and tell them I'll put it on the list. Then I promptly forget what they talked about, but they seem to have been satisfied with this. No harm done, right? On the other hand, they seem to be all ab…

I do audio books too. Actually often if a book is good I'll download the text too to read and listen to interchangeably. It's nice going for a walk in the park while listening to the book once in a while.

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Post by eru »

nmfisher wrote: post #251
roenxi wrote: post #161

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> I want a license that prevents unpaid use by any entity that has any stakeholder worth more than a billion USD. That is an arbitrary criteria, and you'll end up with software being written by Apple Development LLC, the loss-making shell company that Apple uses to do all it's development. If you want something other than the GPL you can use it but don't be surprised when people commercialise your software at scale,…

I mean, this is a fairly trivial loophole to close if you have a lawyer who knows what they're doing. In fact, you don't even need to close the loophole. You just need to make FAANG employees pause long enough to worry that they might not comply, deterring them from using said library.

If you don't want FAANG employees to use your code, why don't you just forbid them?

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Post by eru »

3pt14159 wrote: post #232
roenxi wrote: post #161

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> I want a license that prevents unpaid use by any entity that has any stakeholder worth more than a billion USD. That is an arbitrary criteria, and you'll end up with software being written by Apple Development LLC, the loss-making shell company that Apple uses to do all it's development. If you want something other than the GPL you can use it but don't be surprised when people commercialise your software at scale,…

Nope. Because the loss-making shell company has a stakeholder worth more than a billion USD. The core issue here is all these lawyerly lawyers try to parse words and contracts and it's all bullshit. The core point about OSS isn't to hyper-centralize wealth. The core point about OSS is to enable people to create a common good. A common wealth for the people. I'm not against the core function of capitalism—the feedback…

Almost all public company has stakeholders worth billions: Vanguard for example.
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