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Have Fruits and Vegetables Become Less Nutritious? (2011)

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I realized when I started traveling extensively how tasteless the food is. In thailand I just assumed they just knew how to better prepare the ingredients. Then I went to greece and had a proper greek salad. If you don't think you like greek salad, Let me tell you. A Greek salad is only going to taste good in greece. Why? because all the ingredients that make up a greek salad are local and in season around the same t…

I don't know how much could be placebo effect. I have been in Ukraine for a few months and I am currently in Turkey as well, and it is entirely possible to buy gross/unripe/tasteless produce here, and especially Ukraine. I think you might be experiencing the 'grass is always greener' effect because there is definitely good produce if you know where to find it all over the United States, which is a humongous nation.

Re: Have Fruits and Vegetables Become Less Nutritious? (2011)

#82

I realized when I started traveling extensively how tasteless the food is. In thailand I just assumed they just knew how to better prepare the ingredients. Then I went to greece and had a proper greek salad. If you don't think you like greek salad, Let me tell you. A Greek salad is only going to taste good in greece. Why? because all the ingredients that make up a greek salad are local and in season around the same t…

> American produce SUCKS.

How come? What there is Monsanto for?

Re: Have Fruits and Vegetables Become Less Nutritious? (2011)

#83
The large retail chains in Europe sell what I call porn-fruits and porn-vegetables. Especially places like EDEKA, REWE, Kaufland in Germany.

Strawberries, berries, raspberries, carrots, tomatoes, cucumbers, salads, apples, pears, eggplants, etc. - shiny (do they wax them?), large, unified size, saturated color. Barely any taste, all watery. Grown in perfectly artificial industrial greenhouses.

Not a trace of soil on them, not a trace of imperfections. This is not how fruits and vegetables bought directly from a farmer on a market look and taste like.

Re: Have Fruits and Vegetables Become Less Nutritious? (2011)

#85

I realized when I started traveling extensively how tasteless the food is. In thailand I just assumed they just knew how to better prepare the ingredients. Then I went to greece and had a proper greek salad. If you don't think you like greek salad, Let me tell you. A Greek salad is only going to taste good in greece. Why? because all the ingredients that make up a greek salad are local and in season around the same t…

I don't know how much could be placebo effect. I have been in Ukraine for a few months and I am currently in Turkey as well, and it is entirely possible to buy gross/unripe/tasteless produce here, and especially Ukraine. I think you might be experiencing the 'grass is always greener' effect because there is definitely good produce if you know where to find it all over the United States, which is a humongous nation.

I was in kyiv and lviv. To be fair, I stayed in the more affluent areas so I'm sure I got access to the higher quality stuff. still, even in the restaurants I noticed a marked increase in quality when it came to salads.

Re: Have Fruits and Vegetables Become Less Nutritious? (2011)

#86

I realized when I started traveling extensively how tasteless the food is. In thailand I just assumed they just knew how to better prepare the ingredients. Then I went to greece and had a proper greek salad. If you don't think you like greek salad, Let me tell you. A Greek salad is only going to taste good in greece. Why? because all the ingredients that make up a greek salad are local and in season around the same t…

Don't know if I'd extend it to _all_ American produce, but some of it does suck very bad indeed, especially tomatoes. I grew up in an area famous for its tomatoes, so my standards for what constitutes a good tomato are impossibly high. The only tomato that's not a complete abomination in northwestern US are those Kumato tomatoes that Trader Joe's has sometimes. On the other hand the United States quite possibly has by far the best apples in the world, if you're willing to pay like $2.50-3/lb - that's how much newer, patented varieties such as Sweetango cost. Bell peppers are about the same. US onions are great (and huge). US garlic is total inedible shit. US corn on the cob is great. Asparagus is great as well, when in season. Some varieties of strawberries are great, mysteriously, even if they aren't fully ripe.

TL;DR: there are things that are better, and there are things that are worse. As with any region, you need to know what the region excels at, and use that for best results.

Generally, I feel that US grocery stores make an overly heavy emphasis on shelf life. You can't have a tasty tomato that also has a long shelf life, but you can have a tasty bell pepper that does.

What you're seeing in Greece and Turkey aren't just ingredients. It's the culture: the understanding of what those dishes are _supposed_ to taste like. That just doesn't translate outside its natural habitat. Take the same ingredients, bring them to the US, have a US cook make you a salad, and you more likely than not you will get shit Greek salad. Same with trying to make Texas BBQ in Greece - you will get shit BBQ.

Outside produce, IMO the US has by far the best beer scene in the world, particularly on the coasts. Just 10 years ago there really wasn't much, and nowadays I see US beers in pubs in London. And by "beers" I don't mind piss water like Budweiser, but real, actual world class beers. It's well past the point where Europe is kinda disappointing, beer-wise.

Re: Have Fruits and Vegetables Become Less Nutritious? (2011)

#87

So is it the soil or the new fast-growing varieties that are the problem? They talk about both issues interchangeably. And is the supermarket veg only? Most of that is selected to travel and display well rather than for nutrition and taste. What about organic? What about local farmed produce? There’s a lot of stats here but it’s light on specifics that would help us make choices that would actually help.

Buy seasonal food that is actually grown seasonally (just because you bought a tomato in the summer doesn’t mean it was actually grown any differently). Buy heirloom varieties.

Organic isn’t a magic word that means better, and as it has become popular and more industrialized, it means less. There are plenty of questionably healthy practices which count as “organic”.

Something being grown nearby doesn’t make it automatically any better.

Finding local producers that can deliver seasonal heirloom varieties would be maximizing your chances. Growing your own getting your seed from somewhere like the seed savers exchange would have a bit better chances.

https://www.seedsavers.org/

Re: Have Fruits and Vegetables Become Less Nutritious? (2011)

#88

I realized when I started traveling extensively how tasteless the food is. In thailand I just assumed they just knew how to better prepare the ingredients. Then I went to greece and had a proper greek salad. If you don't think you like greek salad, Let me tell you. A Greek salad is only going to taste good in greece. Why? because all the ingredients that make up a greek salad are local and in season around the same t…

I don't know how much could be placebo effect. I have been in Ukraine for a few months and I am currently in Turkey as well, and it is entirely possible to buy gross/unripe/tasteless produce here, and especially Ukraine. I think you might be experiencing the 'grass is always greener' effect because there is definitely good produce if you know where to find it all over the United States, which is a humongous nation.

Might depend on which part of the year you are there: in-season vs imported foods.

Re: Have Fruits and Vegetables Become Less Nutritious? (2011)

#90

There’s a cognitive bias where if you tell a certain kind of person a negative story about an environmental issue they will believe it, regardless of its content. If you read the article, none of the quoted sources say anything about depleted soil. It says it in the title, that’s it. Bait. What it actually says is plant breeding and other agricultural practices caused the nutritional decline. You breed plants for sto…

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