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Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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Media and political institutions have been attempting to bury the current president with the tired Russia narrative and other gambits since he walked down the escalator. Joe's appeal today to "let this grim era of demonization in America begin to end here and now!" seems disingenous given the past 4 years, but I do hope that our public discourse improves, for everyone's sake.

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There's a famous optical illusion with a spinning silhouette of a dancer. When you look at it, you'll swear it's spinning in one direction -- say, counter-clockwise. In fact, you'll be so sure it's spinning counter-clockwise, that the idea it could be spinning in the opposite direction will seem impossible to you. But if you stare at it long enough, and intently enough, you can make it spin the other way. I've notice…

> we're all under the same spell Isn't this an oversimplification of politics, though--that our political opinions are nothing more than preferences around which we form tribes, and that there is not one single tribe that is objectively correct when it comes to matter of policy when, in fact, there are correct ways of deciding on policy. Take vaccines, for example, or the matter of wearing masks. If I am for vaccines…

>there is not one single tribe that is objectively correct when it comes to matter of policy when, in fact, there are correct ways of deciding on policy.

There are objectively correct matters of policy when your goals, values, and assumptions have been specified. But it is these goals, values, and assumptions that separate the population into different factions. It is not simply a matter of we're right and they're wrong when it comes to settling these foundational issues.

> I simply in some kind of "spell" and am I not, objectively speaking, correct, because my opinion on those matters are backed by science?

You are under a spell that maximizing lives saved from the virus is the obviously correct goal, which is why its never even stated out loud. But your policy choices given that goal are objectively correct. The issue is whether maximizing lives saved from the virus is the correct goal. Lockdowns have a cost which is mostly borne by those who do not have the means to go for weeks or months without work or cannot work from home. There's also the mental health costs of extended social distancing. These questions are not answered by simply referencing the science behind controlling pandemics. There are very contentious foundational issues that that must be settled before we can make factual determinations about policy.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

#983

What is really keeping me up at night is the existential problem the US faces for the next 50 years: the ever increasingly large divide that is the polarizing of the electorate. We have to come together as Americans or someone will divide and conquer us.

Interestingly, tech workers are responsible for such a resilient divide. Tech workers, the most numerous demographic on this thread, are the ones coding up the bubbles or creating and maintaining their infrastructure. The purpose of the bubbles is to keep you clicking or pressing. The purpose of that is to deliver ads or sell premium services. If uncomfortable views are presented a user may click or press out of the…

how would you design away filter bubbles though? people actively seek out agreement and avoid argument even when there are no filters and barely any moderation like still begets like, see the split between /pol/ and /leftypol/.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

#984

What is really keeping me up at night is the existential problem the US faces for the next 50 years: the ever increasingly large divide that is the polarizing of the electorate. We have to come together as Americans or someone will divide and conquer us.

I think the events of the past week have really highlighted the divide, or rather the gaping chasm . And it's a gulf that seeks almost impossible to bridge, any time soon at least - it encompasses race, education, financial status, social class, even history. Trump's actions this week have been utterly shameful. He and his cronies have lied and lied in an organised effort to sow discontent among the huge segment of r…

was al gore utterly shameful when he contested florida? the prevailing attitude among liberals ever since is that he never should've conceded, that the bushes and the courts stole the election.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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Trump and the MAGA crowd are absolutely fine with things like separating kids from their parents, forced sterilization, intense racism, celebrating and stimulating police violence, attempting to steal elections, open corruption by a sitting president and much much more. And yet you go “gosh darn that foreign interference is causing leftist ideas”. Maybe you should take a series look at your media consumption because…

> are absolutely fine with things like separating kids from their parents

This is a lie propagated by people that don't understand what happens on the southern border: kids are temporarily separated from the adults smuggling them into the country because we don't know if those adults are their parents.

This is what Trump was referring to with the "coyote" comment during the last presidential debate. The number of people on Twitter thinking he meant the animal was a massive facepalm that just revealed how ignorant they are. "Coyote" in this context means "human trafficker".

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

#986

There's a famous optical illusion with a spinning silhouette of a dancer. When you look at it, you'll swear it's spinning in one direction -- say, counter-clockwise. In fact, you'll be so sure it's spinning counter-clockwise, that the idea it could be spinning in the opposite direction will seem impossible to you. But if you stare at it long enough, and intently enough, you can make it spin the other way. I've notice…

I was a "Trumper" 20 years ago. Your comment initially made sense to me. Then I remembered the many wrong and harmful ideas that I recognized and rejected since that time. These ideas lead to real harm for many people. For example, during Bill Clinton's impeachment trial for sexual harassment of his woman intern, I thought that his behavior was no big deal, that we accept that powerful men like to play around with wo…

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Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

#987
In general I think racism and misogyny will need to be disarmed in ways that they haven't been in the past. Nextdoor and Reddit might be best examples which Twitter and Facebook could follow. Increasing friction to post/repost, more fact checks, more labels on misinformation, and better localized moderation in general should be something these companies should have a good handle on already, but it seems like they've barely started grasping the problems.

It almost seems like if this isn't tackled head on instead of being ignored, that there might be scant progress on other issues like climate change.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

#988

Trump and the MAGA crowd are absolutely fine with things like separating kids from their parents, forced sterilization, intense racism, celebrating and stimulating police violence, attempting to steal elections, open corruption by a sitting president and much much more. And yet you go “gosh darn that foreign interference is causing leftist ideas”. Maybe you should take a series look at your media consumption because…

>forced sterilization

I don't think it's accurate to say Trump supporters were OK with this. We had headlines about that happening in Georgia earlier this year. There are many issues at play here, but this seems to be a result of a horrible deranged doctor rather than some kind of forced sterilization program. https://www.thedailybeast.com/ice-hysterectomy-doctor-wasnt-...

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