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Re: Big Ass Fan’s Clean Air System

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Slightly off topic; I've been reading about putting dispersal disinfectants like Tea Tree Oil [1] into ventilation shafts so they spread around the building. Works similar to O3, but is safe around people. I'm wondering what sort of concentrations these dispersals need to be to actually make a difference. [1] https://www.pathology.uwa.edu.au/research/microbiology/tea-t...

As someone who is strongly irritated by (and perhaps allergic to—I've not been tested) tea tree oil, please do not do this.

Re: Big Ass Fan’s Clean Air System

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The question with that system is: where is the replacement air coming from? To be effective for disease particle controls, it needs to come from outside, otherwise you'd just be sucking dirty air from the rest of the building into the classroom - or even worse: backdrafting CO2 and CO from any combustion appliances within the building envelope. You can achieve a clean air supply by opening another window in the class…

Is there a reason you can’t just recirculate through a HEPA filter? They capture viruses AFAIK. Seems easier than recovering exhaust heat and refilling from outside.

No reason at all. That's basically how most existing air purifiers work, they're a big fan attached to a HEPA filter.

Re: Big Ass Fan’s Clean Air System

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Can someone explain how a garden-varity HEPA filter duct-taped to a boxed fan is not a complete solution to airborne COVID droplet air filtration?

This device cleans up a medium size room from forest-fire smoke in 15 minutes and scrubs it squeaky-clean in a few hours (as measured with a laser particulate counter).

Re: Big Ass Fan’s Clean Air System

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least with heat recovery ventilators, the air streams do not mix at all. Unless the virus finds a way to penetrate the metal fins of the heat exchanger, it should be completely fine.

There are several different designs, some there is a mix of streams. Most are sadly not particularly efficient overall, but still much better than leaving a window open.

Is it really an HRV if the air streams mix? [1] The primary function of an HRV is ventilation. Any air stream mixing would nullify that objective.

1. https://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/article/misconceptions-...

Re: Big Ass Fan’s Clean Air System

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Can someone explain how a garden-varity HEPA filter duct-taped to a boxed fan is not a complete solution to airborne COVID droplet air filtration? This device cleans up a medium size room from forest-fire smoke in 15 minutes and scrubs it squeaky-clean in a few hours (as measured with a laser particulate counter).

Not fast enough. The threat is not being exposed to droplets hours after someone with COVID was in the room, the threat is them expelling COVID particles at your face because to are right next to them.

Re: Big Ass Fan’s Clean Air System

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Slightly off topic; I've been reading about putting dispersal disinfectants like Tea Tree Oil [1] into ventilation shafts so they spread around the building. Works similar to O3, but is safe around people. I'm wondering what sort of concentrations these dispersals need to be to actually make a difference. [1] https://www.pathology.uwa.edu.au/research/microbiology/tea-t...

your link mentions nothing about ventilation. vodka is also a good disinfectant, but you wouldn't want to necessarily aerosolize it and vent it through a building.

Re: Big Ass Fan’s Clean Air System

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Can someone explain how a garden-varity HEPA filter duct-taped to a boxed fan is not a complete solution to airborne COVID droplet air filtration? This device cleans up a medium size room from forest-fire smoke in 15 minutes and scrubs it squeaky-clean in a few hours (as measured with a laser particulate counter).

HEPA filters are a good idea, but they can be in short supply and they need to be replaced on a regular basis.

Box fans are not good for attaching filters too because they are not designed to deal with static pressure from a filter. The gaps between the blades and the case mean if you put much/any obstacle in the way, it will just recirculate unfiltered air.

Re: Big Ass Fan’s Clean Air System

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This smells of magic unicorn shit to me.

Anything but. They’ve got validated 3rd party studies. Plus they’re a real Hardware product company with a long history of quality product. Not some Silicon Valley “ai magic virus eater”.

If a company is making claims like this, the FDA should review that companies validation of the claims. Yes, I suppose fans' air-quality claims falls in some crack where it's not a food, drug, or medical device. But if you market your device to mitigate germs responsible for a pandemic, it should really fall under the domain of an appropriate agency.

The FDA was created to fight bogus miracle cures and tainted food.

> they’re a real Hardware product company with a long history of quality product. Not some Silicon Valley “ai magic virus eater”.

shrug then they shouldn't mind filing a 510k [1].

[1] https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/device-approvals-denials...

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