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Looking for Voter Fraud (In Old Elections) with Data Visualization

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Re: Looking for Voter Fraud (In Old Elections) with Data Visualization

#81
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are cases in court right alleging this was not allowed to happen. "The Trump campaign said it is calling for a temporary halt in the counting in Michigan and Pennsylvania until it is given “meaningful” access in numerous locations and allowed to review ballots that already have been opened and processed." - https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-seeks-voting-stop-25...

Michigan case was dismissed by the judge: https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/... As was the PA case: https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/11/07/trump-campaign-pa... Has the Trump campaign taken further action beyond what is discussed in your link? I know they had a press conference at the Four Seasons in Pennsylvania, did anything come of that?

> Michigan case was dismissed by the judge

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Thor Hearne, an attorney for the Trump campaign, said he wanted an order directing Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson to require "meaningful access" for campaign poll watchers to the counting of state ballots, plus access to videotaped surveillance of ballot drop boxes installed around the state after Oct. 1.

Michigan Court of Claims Judge Cynthia Stephens said the ballot counting in Michigan, which shows Democrat Joe Biden receiving about 150,000 more votes than Republican Donald Trump, was completed Thursday morning.

That made the access request moot, but Stephens said Benson already issued a directive for meaningful access for poll watchers at local ballot counting places. That directive arose from a separate recent lawsuit related to ensuring proper access during the coronavirus pandemic, with the associated social distancing requirements, she said.

As for the videotapes, Stephens said there is no legal basis for Benson to provide — or be expected to provide — access to video surveillance of ballot drop boxes installed by local officials.

A recent law passed by the Michigan Legislature requires video surveillance of ballot drop boxes installed after Oct. 1. But assistant Attorney General Heather Meingast said the law does not require Benson or her agency to track which boxes were installed after Oct. 1, let alone provide access to video. The ballot drop boxes are primarily a local function.

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Well that's reassuring.

> As was the PA case

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The president’s campaign argued that his supporters weren’t being allowed to monitor the tallying of mail-in ballots, but U.S. District Judge Paul Diamond instead argued the two sides to come to an agreement.

He suggested each party be allowed 60 observers inside a hall in the downtown Philadelphia convention center where the final ballots are being counted.

In Georgia, a judge dismissed a lawsuit from the Trump Campaign on Wednesday.

That case from the campaign claimed that a witness said that late-arriving ballots in one county had not been stored properly and may have been mixed in with timely ballots.

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Similarly reassuring.

Yes indeed, this is rock solid proof that nothing improper occurred.

Re: Looking for Voter Fraud (In Old Elections) with Data Visualization

#82
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are cases in court right alleging this was not allowed to happen. "The Trump campaign said it is calling for a temporary halt in the counting in Michigan and Pennsylvania until it is given “meaningful” access in numerous locations and allowed to review ballots that already have been opened and processed." - https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-seeks-voting-stop-25...

Michigan case was dismissed by the judge: https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/... As was the PA case: https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/11/07/trump-campaign-pa... Has the Trump campaign taken further action beyond what is discussed in your link? I know they had a press conference at the Four Seasons in Pennsylvania, did anything come of that?

*Four Seasons Total Landscaping.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/four-seasons-...

Re: Looking for Voter Fraud (In Old Elections) with Data Visualization

#83
post #13

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Should the vote also be weighted to uphold the interests of other classes of people, like young vs old, or rich vs poor, or bricklayers vs hairdressers? I consider myself more defined by my age and profession than by my hometown but in an electoral college system it is only that latter fact that affects how a vote is weighted.

I think of it as giving some representation to the land itself (and it's natural resources) as represented by the people who work and live there.

I don't like the characterisation as "land representation" because there is a long and sordid history of only land owners being able to vote.

But I do think that farmers (for example) contribute a lot to a country and would lack voting power in a purely population based presidential election system.

I'd note that this argument goes against my politics: Farmers as a block are rarely progressives.

Edit: Elsewhere gameman144 explains my point better than I have been able to:

> The top four states have roughly a third of the national population; if federal policy were enacted purely by population, why shouldn't they allocate all federal funds to themselves and deprive other states entirely? The Senate and the electoral college give enough of an advantage to small states that, even though no one or two small states are liable to flip an election by themselves, they are still able to have a voice in federal policy by coalition-building.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25031351

Re: Looking for Voter Fraud (In Old Elections) with Data Visualization

#84

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The issue is that the US has not officially selected a President yet. So Facebook, Twitter etc are being prudent and not allowing misinformation until that is the case. And I've yet to see any fraud analysis that is coming from reputable sources i.e. not Gateway Pundit or 4chan so it makes sense to err on the side of caution.

> So Facebook, Twitter etc are being prudent and not allowing misinformation Do these censors have the means to determine what is and is not "misinformation"? Do we have comprehensive insight into to what volume and types of censorship are (or are not) happening behind closed doors at the various social media companies? > And I've yet to see any fraud analysis that is coming from reputable sources i.e. not Gateway Pu…

Facebook's process is pretty transparent and clear.

They rely on independent fact checkers e.g. AP to determine what is true or not. And they regularly publish on the volumes and types of content they are removing:

https://about.fb.com/news/2020/10/removing-coordinated-inaut...

Twitter is definitely less transparent but also less severe since they don't have the concepts of Pages or Groups.

Re: Looking for Voter Fraud (In Old Elections) with Data Visualization

#85

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What 'modern improvements' can be made over paper ballots?

I think most of the improvements can be made in relation to voter registrations and rolls. How a state can keep people who have obviously died on voter rolls should be a red flag.

I agree and like to point out the downvotes to your comment raise a "red" flag itself

Re: Looking for Voter Fraud (In Old Elections) with Data Visualization

#86

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The system is secure and robust, at least with regards to the mechanics of individual votings. Among the main factors is its distributed nature. You just can't run a scam with senior citizen volunteers in thousands of individual precincts. Then, there are observers. Famous case from this week's election was Republicans complaining that their two dozen(!) observers weren't allowed closer than 6 feet to the ballots. It…

Fraud obviously happens that doesn't come to light until later: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-philadelphia-judge-ele...

You found one in the 0.00002%. Notably, this occurred during a primary. It's still awful, but the GOP trusts the Democrats to run their own primaries and vice-versa.

I wonder how this came to light years after.

https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/ensure-every-american-c...

Re: Looking for Voter Fraud (In Old Elections) with Data Visualization

#87
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are cases in court right alleging this was not allowed to happen. "The Trump campaign said it is calling for a temporary halt in the counting in Michigan and Pennsylvania until it is given “meaningful” access in numerous locations and allowed to review ballots that already have been opened and processed." - https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-seeks-voting-stop-25...

Michigan case was dismissed by the judge: https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/... As was the PA case: https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/11/07/trump-campaign-pa... Has the Trump campaign taken further action beyond what is discussed in your link? I know they had a press conference at the Four Seasons in Pennsylvania, did anything come of that?

GA case dismissed too.

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-campaign-announcement-las-vegas...

Re: Looking for Voter Fraud (In Old Elections) with Data Visualization

#88
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are cases in court right alleging this was not allowed to happen. "The Trump campaign said it is calling for a temporary halt in the counting in Michigan and Pennsylvania until it is given “meaningful” access in numerous locations and allowed to review ballots that already have been opened and processed." - https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-seeks-voting-stop-25...

Michigan case was dismissed by the judge: https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/... As was the PA case: https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/11/07/trump-campaign-pa... Has the Trump campaign taken further action beyond what is discussed in your link? I know they had a press conference at the Four Seasons in Pennsylvania, did anything come of that?

Yeah; the existence of a court case does not imply even -evidence- that the event occurred, let alone the fact. Trump has filed 1900 lawsuits over the past 3 decades; that's over 63 a year. It's obvious that's his response to any perceived slight, including "not enough people voted for me".

Re: Looking for Voter Fraud (In Old Elections) with Data Visualization

#89

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Because they are all states that should have an equal say in what president is elected. A republic of states is beholden to the states. Each state is beholden to its population.

So take a step back. Why would (the people of/in) California and Texas and so on choose to support such a republic? As it is you've defined a circle. "It's a republic so it should be run based just on the borders of the constituents".

Yes that is how it should be. Each state has different interests. By having electoral votes based on population we are not avoiding the problem of population centers directing the country.

How is electing a president different than votes for a constitutional amendment? Each state gets one vote there.

Re: Looking for Voter Fraud (In Old Elections) with Data Visualization

#90
post #42

This is too high level. You would have to look at individual state levels, particularly swing states.

https://github.com/cjph8914/2020_benfords

https://github.com/cjph8914/2020_benfords/issues/9 for more context.
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