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Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by Valkhyr »

thesuperbigfrog wrote: post #2

As beautiful and polished as iOS is it is policies like these that keep me on Android. I wish iSH the best of luck, but I will stick with Termux ( https://termux.com/ ) on Android for now.

Same here. I run Termux on my Pixel, but I also have an iPad and was really excited to when I installed iSH. I hoped their initial approval of iSH meant that Apple was becoming more liberal.

Hell, I was even wondering if this would make it conceivable for me to switch back to an iPhone at some point if I became unhappy with Android.

Of course, deep down I knew it could not last.

Seriously, f* Apple, and f* the App Store.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by ianai »

yakz wrote: post #78
mortenjorck wrote: post #28

This isn’t sustainable. Software developers can’t build on a foundation that is constantly, capriciously shifting. This on top of the App Store's already-onerous restrictions and the fact that it’s the only practical way to get your software on one of the world's largest computing platforms has already engendered a deep antipathy [1] among Apple developers, and there are no signs it’s getting better. Something has to…

They can build on it... developers have been building on it for years and making money doing it. Don't make an app that allows users to run unapproved software. I think that's a pretty clear rule. If your app makes money (directly or indirectly), pay Apple whatever portion of your revenue that Apple demands. I also think that's a pretty clear rule. If there's something that should obviously be regulated out of existe…

I’d love to see Apple support an Xcode on iOS devices - and have it provide the runtime things like iSH could rely upon. In one fell swoop they could control the code people can run while also making the systems that much more replacements for traditional devices.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by bdosoaknfnwodud »

yakz wrote: post #78
mortenjorck wrote: post #28

This isn’t sustainable. Software developers can’t build on a foundation that is constantly, capriciously shifting. This on top of the App Store's already-onerous restrictions and the fact that it’s the only practical way to get your software on one of the world's largest computing platforms has already engendered a deep antipathy [1] among Apple developers, and there are no signs it’s getting better. Something has to…

They can build on it... developers have been building on it for years and making money doing it. Don't make an app that allows users to run unapproved software. I think that's a pretty clear rule. If your app makes money (directly or indirectly), pay Apple whatever portion of your revenue that Apple demands. I also think that's a pretty clear rule. If there's something that should obviously be regulated out of existe…

Just because token developers are succeeding does not mean that the app store serves any general purpose unless that general purpose is "make the proprietor of the app store rich".

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by Valkhyr »

mhh__ wrote: post #66
bigbubba wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A computer without software is no longer a computer?

As a legal distinction I think it's not unreasonable, i.e. a TV these days is just a big ipad it it's not considered a personal computer.

The big difference is that you generally see more people who would find it useful to run arbitrary software on their phone than on their TV or smart fridge, especially considering that recent phones have single core performance approaching (or exceeding older) laptops.

There are plenty of people in this world for whom their smartphone is their primary or only computer (by necessity or choice), and it sucks that they cannot actually take full control of their computer.

(For what it's worth, I also think that if you are in the minority who want to run custom software on your TV, the manufacturer should absolutely not be able to prevent you from doing so, because it's your TV - void your warranty while you are using unsupported software? Maybe. Prevent install outright? Hell no.)

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by catlifeonmars »

userbinator wrote: post #158

Apple clearly does not want you to have a general-purpose computer: https://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html Everything is done with "security" as an excuse because it's hard to argue against[1], but I think people are slowly starting to see through that. Apple wants to control every aspect of your life, and if you let it, it will. I wonder whether those who work at Apple and are responsible for doing such thi…

Many people, although certainly not everyone, are perfectly ok with this. I, for one, don’t have the expectation that my iOS devices are general purpose computers. I have the expectation that the device works with zero configuration for a set of fixed purposes in a design language that I’m accustomed to. That’s it.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by Osiris »

threeseed wrote: post #37
Osiris wrote: post #27

> Consistent enforcement of Apple’s incorrect interpretation would require the removal of all scripting apps, including many of the most popular applications in the App Store and some of Apple’s own applications. The problem with "consistent enforcement" is 1) the guidelines are purposefully vague 2) there are reports of unwritten internal rules that are different from the public rules 3) I suspect that the amount of…

1) and 3) are simply nonsense. The guidelines are quite specific. What has happened is that over time new applications and use cases have arisen for which the guidelines were never designed for e.g. remote app streaming. Also Adobe, Google and Microsoft contribute significantly to Apple's bottom line and they have all had apps blocked.

vague: of uncertain, indefinite, or unclear character or meaning.

The fact that these stories about multiple parties interpreting the same exact guideline different, and in some cases even Apple interpreting it differently I think justifies the usage of "vague".

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by vosper »

userbinator wrote: post #158

Apple clearly does not want you to have a general-purpose computer: https://boingboing.net/2012/01/10/lockdown.html Everything is done with "security" as an excuse because it's hard to argue against[1], but I think people are slowly starting to see through that. Apple wants to control every aspect of your life, and if you let it, it will. I wonder whether those who work at Apple and are responsible for doing such thi…

> Apple clearly does not want you to have a general-purpose computer

Can you explain the existence of the MacBook, iMac, Mac Mini, and Mac Pro?

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by m4rtink »

fsflover wrote: post #147
thesuperbigfrog wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Termux developers have a plan ( https://github.com/termux/termux-packages/wiki/Termux-and-An... ). >> This is what we get from monopoly. Agreed. The Apple / Google mobile OS dualopy leaves few choices.

The few choices are Librem 5 and PinePhone, native GNU/Linux phones.

Android hardware running GNU/Linux distros (such as Sailfish OS) on top of Android blobs via libhybris could be a stopgap solution as well. But indeed, phones running normal Linux distros need to be the norm in this case.

Re: About iSH’s pending removal from the App Store

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Post by RonanTheGrey »

fsflover wrote: post #153
clusterfish wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Switch where? Google's walled garden sucks too, even if slightly less right now. You can't fight a duopoly as if it's a competitive market.

The alternatives are GNU/Linux phones (PinePhone, Librem 5) and companies respecting users, see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24866279

My short term plan is to get an Android device, root it and install something else.

Long term plan is to keep an eye on Librem and get one when it actually ships possibly after an iteration or two. Or not, I might get one sooner if I think I have some time to try to build something for it.

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