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Taking screenshots isn't allowed by the app after upgrading to Android 11

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Re: Taking screenshots isn't allowed by the app after upgrading to Android 11

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Post by hfktifjrn »

rbecker wrote: post #184
hfktifjrn wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are avoiding my point. Where is the user outrage over Netflix using DRM and blocking their rights to fair use. And if you don't like it, don't subscribe. Are you against companies being able to choose if to use DRM or not? Do you want to ban DRM? What about encryption, do you want to ban that too?

> You are avoiding my point. I addressed your point directly. You claimed content might not be available otherwise (and that this is the reason consumers want DRM), I gave examples that showed that to be obviously false. And DRM is much more than just not banned - it's illegal to circumvent , thanks to DMCA. > And if you don't like it, don't subscribe. I don't. But you're still not happy - I guess you'd also like me…

What bothers me is the constant hypocrisy of HN.

Encryption is good, private companies should be allowed to use encryption however they want, but them using encryption for DRM or SecureBoot is bad.

The market is right, except when it chooses DRM products or big slim smartphones with unchangeable battery and no headphone jack. Then it's bad.

What's the consumer damage done by Netflix having DRM? Where are the damaged consumers hiding?

BTW, circumventing encryption used in Signal is also illegal.

Re: Taking screenshots isn't allowed by the app after upgrading to Android 11

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Post by andybak »

_odey wrote: post #182
andybak wrote: post #134

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Any idea when it actually applies? Have you seen it in the wild? I don't recall having that message appear legitimately at any point but I guess it might be for corporate phones. Any Android devs know if it's something that any arbitrary app can turn on?

Try the Tesco Clubcard app. On taking a screenshot you will get a toast saying: "Can't take screenshot due to security policy". This is what I'm referring to in my post above.

Like "disable right click" on websites I really struggle to see how this is useful to Tesco in any way. It's trivial to bypass.

What's their threat model here?

Re: Taking screenshots isn't allowed by the app after upgrading to Android 11

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Post by gst »

shawnz wrote: post #65
ericmay wrote: post #64

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Side loading apps is not in the user’s favor though. The iPhone is purchased explicitly to avoid that.

By what rationale can you say that blocking sideloading is good for the user but not blocking screenshots?

One benefit of blocking sideloading is that it prevents people who have brief access to your phone (border agents, police, etc.) from installing spyware apps on the phone. On iOS those people can extract your data as local backup, but they won't be able to install any unapproved apps that run in the background and that monitor you. On Android it's trivial to install spyware apps via sideloading and regular users most likely aren't able to detect or uninstall them.

Re: Taking screenshots isn't allowed by the app after upgrading to Android 11

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Post by umvi »

crazygringo wrote: post #166

A bunch of comments here are assuming this is something intentional on Google's part. Simply from the error message alone, it's obvious that this is a bug. As well as from how easy the workaround is. Google might do many things wrong intentionally, but I see zero evidence this is one of them. Just a bug, folks.

> "Taking screenshots isn't allowed by the app or your organization."

To me that implies Android supports individual apps locking down your device so that you can't use certain features (like screenshots) while the app is open.

Re: Taking screenshots isn't allowed by the app after upgrading to Android 11

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Post by calcifer »

fyfy18 wrote: post #160
thederek512 wrote: post #145

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Monzo have a pretty comprehensive API that you can build your own web based interface around if you wish. If you look on github a ton of people have done that, all you need to do is clone the repo, plop in your Monzo api key and the jobs a goodun.

Are there any banks that provide EUR accounts that do the same (Monzo is GBP only)?

Yes, Starling.

Re: Taking screenshots isn't allowed by the app after upgrading to Android 11

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Post by zrobotics »

ffpip wrote: post #116
dalu wrote: post #88

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Since when does Google allow you to watch porn? They do everything to fight it. You can't even install legit porn apps without manually downloading the apk. And then it only works on your phone and tablet, not the TV where it would actually be desired to work. Also what right does Google have to tell me what I can and can't watch on my TV/device?

> Since when does Google allow you to watch porn? Porn is not allowed in the app store. They cannot regulate porn videos (child porn might slip through) and the headline next day would be ''Google allows child porn apps on the play store''

Huhh? I mean, I wouldn't trust any porn site with app permissions, but how does that logic even make sense? The inevitable conclusion would be that Chrome should be banned as well, since I'm sure there's some sketchy corner of the internet with that crap available.

Re: Taking screenshots isn't allowed by the app after upgrading to Android 11

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Post by detaro »

hfktifjrn wrote: post #72
nkrisc wrote: post #50

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No. "Disappearing" messages are a farce. Disabling other people's screenshot capability so someone can be made to believe that their message will disappear is absurd. If you want a message that disappears, tell them in person and pat them down for a wire. Also there's nothing wrong with simply screenshotting licensed content. I'm allowed to do so for my own personal use. If someone is distributing licensed content th…

Signal app on Android blocks screenshots too (configurable). Does that mean that they are clueless about security?

Signal does not pretend that it will stop the other side from screenshotting your messages.

Re: Taking screenshots isn't allowed by the app after upgrading to Android 11

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Post by arnaudsm »

crazygringo wrote: post #190
arnaudsm wrote: post #187

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This is a feature: FLAG_SECURE is real and used by many apps. i.e. Chrome's Incognito mode. Sure, you have workarounds for power-users, but Google is locking the Android ecosystem progressively for regular users. Just like the Manifest v3 for Chrome. Maybe Google is doing the "Embrace, extend, and extinguish" strategy that worked really well for Microsoft in the past.

Do you have any evidence for that? The thread is about behavior caused by a presumably erroneous ".nomedia" file residing in certain users' screenshot folders. The FLAG_SECURE feature doesn't appear to have anything to do with that. Two entirely separate things, unless you can show otherwise.

The thread describes a bug indeed, but the feature really exists.

Quoting the Android SDK reference : "FLAG_SECURE [...] Treat the content of the window as secure, preventing it from appearing in screenshots" [1] Try to screenshot while in Chrome's incognito, you'll see it in action.

[1] https://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/WindowM...

Re: Taking screenshots isn't allowed by the app after upgrading to Android 11

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Post by SquareWheel »

dalu wrote: post #88
ffpip wrote: post #53

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To prevent accidental screenshots of you watching porn?

Since when does Google allow you to watch porn? They do everything to fight it. You can't even install legit porn apps without manually downloading the apk. And then it only works on your phone and tablet, not the TV where it would actually be desired to work. Also what right does Google have to tell me what I can and can't watch on my TV/device?

>They do everything to fight it.

Not hosting something on their store doesn't mean they're trying to fight it. You're free to install whatever app you want outside of their store. Or just use the browser like everybody else.

Re: Taking screenshots isn't allowed by the app after upgrading to Android 11

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Post by zrobotics »

_odey wrote: post #163
zrobotics wrote: post #143

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Question: if there's no website, how TF are you supposed to use Monzo or Revolut from a proper computer? Is there really no way to do something simple like xfer money or view balance without using your phone? If so, why did you even open an account, I'm assuming that since you are on this site you are at least a little bit technically inclined. Just looked, and apparently Revolut is 1) app only 2) tied to a mobile nu…

> Question: if there's no website, how TF are you supposed to use Monzo or Revolut from a proper computer? You can't. That's why you don't use them for serious work. > why did you even open an account Different use cases, different circumstances. I don't depend on them but they give good exchange rates and zero fees when transferring or spending money abroad. It's the "it just works" and "fast and cheap" effect that…

Oh wow, that's even worse than I thought. Thanks for the explanation, that does make sense. I wonder if they could get in trouble for AML, or possibly Barclay's is just being overly picky with who they want as customers.

But seriously, not even a support email? Good God, I would trust PayPal with my money more than that; but I suppose they needed to hit all the fintech bingo buzzwords.

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