Signal app also has an option to disable screenshots on Android using this facility. I wonder what HN thinks about that:
https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/360043469312-Sc...
Taking screenshots isn't allowed by the app after upgrading to Android 11
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Re: Taking screenshots isn't allowed by the app after upgrading to Android 11
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It’s to prevent you screenshotting snaps / disappearing messages sent to you or to prevent screenshotting licensed content. This is good for 99% of the people.
No. "Disappearing" messages are a farce. Disabling other people's screenshot capability so someone can be made to believe that their message will disappear is absurd. If you want a message that disappears, tell them in person and pat them down for a wire. Also there's nothing wrong with simply screenshotting licensed content. I'm allowed to do so for my own personal use. If someone is distributing licensed content th…
Signal app on Android blocks screenshots too (configurable). Does that mean that they are clueless about security?
Re: Taking screenshots isn't allowed by the app after upgrading to Android 11
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By what rationale can you say that blocking sideloading is good for the user but not blocking screenshots?
Because it deleverages Apple’s ability to negotiate for users against developers as a collective bargaining agent. You can jailbreak your iPhone or get an Android one if you want.
And blocking screenshots gives Google the ability to negotiate for users against developers who might otherwise not value the privacy of the user's screen contents... so what's the difference? You can get an iPhone if you want unrestricted screen access by apps.
> You can jailbreak your iPhone
And defeat all the security of the platform? No thanks. Plus, that relies on exploits being available (which I would hope for my own sake that they are not).
Re: Taking screenshots isn't allowed by the app after upgrading to Android 11
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Won't unlocking the bootloader make banking apps not work anymore? Had this issue when I tried LineageOS on my old phone, and I really like the convenience of those apps as opposed to using the website, which is extremely bad. Also, how do I do all you said above? (I need a step by step tutorial). Also is it reversible? Are there any other security implications?
>make banking apps not work anymore If you live in a country where you have to use your phone for banking and can't use the web then you need to talk to your politicians. That seems like a pretty extreme violation of your freedom. As much as I dislike the US at least we don't have that.
Some banks and bank-like products only make themselves available by mobile app. It's a commercial decision, and seems to have been a trend with some "challenger" banks.
I have two of those, and I chose them because of unique banking features (not the mobile app) not offered by other banks which I found valuable. It's nothing to do with the country.
To be honest it would be nice to have web access as well (or even phone banking), but we take what we can get.
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>DRM is good In principle is DRM bad? Sure, the current implementations are pure cancers, but if they weren't, wouldn't DRM be a rather good thing?
Why would the user want DRM.
Because they want to access the content, which might not be available otherwise.
Netflix seems to be quite popular, and it's users don't seem to be bothered by the DRM - try taking a screenshot of it on the desktop, you'll get a black picture.
Re: Taking screenshots isn't allowed by the app after upgrading to Android 11
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because it deleverages Apple’s ability to negotiate for users against developers as a collective bargaining agent. You can jailbreak your iPhone or get an Android one if you want.
And blocking screenshots gives Google the ability to negotiate for users against developers who might otherwise not value the privacy of the user's screen contents... so what's the difference? You can get an iPhone if you want unrestricted screen access by apps. > You can jailbreak your iPhone And defeat all the security of the platform? No thanks. Plus, that relies on exploits being available (which I would hope for…
That’s not the same thing at all lol.
And iPhone doesn’t give apps unrestricted screen access.
Re: Taking screenshots isn't allowed by the app after upgrading to Android 11
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And blocking screenshots gives Google the ability to negotiate for users against developers who might otherwise not value the privacy of the user's screen contents... so what's the difference? You can get an iPhone if you want unrestricted screen access by apps. > You can jailbreak your iPhone And defeat all the security of the platform? No thanks. Plus, that relies on exploits being available (which I would hope for…
That’s not the same thing at all lol. And iPhone doesn’t give apps unrestricted screen access.
You don't see it as the same because you have different expectations/needs. I don't see Apple's control of the app store as being a value-add for me, so to me that is user-hostile. Meanwhile I do think it's important that apps can't arbitrarily look at my screen contents.
Re: Taking screenshots isn't allowed by the app after upgrading to Android 11
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Won't unlocking the bootloader make banking apps not work anymore? Had this issue when I tried LineageOS on my old phone, and I really like the convenience of those apps as opposed to using the website, which is extremely bad. Also, how do I do all you said above? (I need a step by step tutorial). Also is it reversible? Are there any other security implications?
>make banking apps not work anymore If you live in a country where you have to use your phone for banking and can't use the web then you need to talk to your politicians. That seems like a pretty extreme violation of your freedom. As much as I dislike the US at least we don't have that.
I live in the UK and have used 5 banking apps so far (not all of them at the same time):
- Barclays (App won't work with LineageOS, website is horrible).
- Monzo (App only, no website, works with LineageOS).
- Revolut (App only, no website, works with LineageOS).
- TransferWise (Web and App, both work well, but never tried it on LineageOS).
- ING Home Bank (App won't work with LineageOS, website is manageable, but still a pain compared to the app).
Of course I don't have to use any of these, but there are clear advantages to using any of them, depending on the situation (you wouldn't take a mortgage from TransferWise, split bills with Barclays, and hold foreign currency in Monzo, mainly because they don't support that). Also you don't have to use a phone, just walk around without one, make people email you instead of calling, and ask people for directions instead of looking at a GPS map.
My point is, I paid for my phone (me alone, nobody else chipped in) so I want to use every feature it provides without restrictions, as it is my property. That goes for both taking screenshots and using apps. And when it's not possible, I look for alternatives. Right now none are practical, nor feasible, so all I got left are tricks like scrcpy and rants on forums ;).
Re: Taking screenshots isn't allowed by the app after upgrading to Android 11
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Why would the user want DRM.
Because they want to access the content, which might not be available otherwise. Netflix seems to be quite popular, and it's users don't seem to be bothered by the DRM - try taking a screenshot of it on the desktop, you'll get a black picture.
> might not be available otherwise.
Like how they stopped showing movies on TV once VCRs entered the market, or stopped playing music on the radio once home taping killed it. If only we had had DRM on radios and TVs back then, perhaps there would still be some entertainment industry left.
Re: Taking screenshots isn't allowed by the app after upgrading to Android 11
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Won't unlocking the bootloader make banking apps not work anymore? Had this issue when I tried LineageOS on my old phone, and I really like the convenience of those apps as opposed to using the website, which is extremely bad. Also, how do I do all you said above? (I need a step by step tutorial). Also is it reversible? Are there any other security implications?
> Won't unlocking the bootloader make banking apps not work anymore? Depends on how paranoid your bank is. There's this SafetyNet thing that checks for "system integrity". It's part of Google Services. For now , it's possible to bypass these checks using Magisk, but I've read that Google is testing the new method involving TrustZone — a hardware trusted execution environment within the SoC where you aren't one of the…
You can re-lock the bootloader with your own signing key on Pixels. GrapheneOS seems to be the only third party ROM currently taking advantage of it.