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Re: Show HN: Please-unsubscribe.com – fwd emails to unsubscribe from marketing

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Post by quickthrower2 »

MatthewElvey wrote: post #218
MereInterest wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. That means that Twitter's implementation is one that is against the law, as it required me to log in before I could unsubscribe. It also only unsubscribed me from "that type of email", so lo and behold, more spam arrived a few days later.

The clause only applies to certain email. Applicable? "The term “commercial electronic mail message” means any electronic mail message the primary purpose of which is the commercial advertisement or promotion of a commercial product or service". Probably not.

The end run is to chuck “ads” in transactional emails. Including “important service announcements”. And make it obtuse to change your settings.

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Post by AntonyGarand »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #220
AntonyGarand wrote: post #204

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This one perhaps? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5327469 Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20171003162605/https://litmus.co...

I vaguely remember this article but I don’t think it’s the one, as I distinctly recall mention of MS Outlook and how it wraps quotes (which means it’s maybe older than this article). It was also longer and more technical.

Among the post, this article[0] is referenced, which does mention testing on outlook and is more technical! It might be it.

> It turns out that all email services take your original message and conveniently wrap it in a div (with a class) or a blockquote, meaning you can use that as a CSS selector. It's so stupidly simple.

I wonder how the situation evolved from a decade ago. Time to do a bit of research!

0: https://web.archive.org/web/20160903225343/http://jonathan-k...

Re: Show HN: Please-unsubscribe.com – fwd emails to unsubscribe from marketing

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Post by redis_mlc »

MattGaiser wrote: post #9
redis_mlc wrote: post #7

Emails in the US have an unsubscribe link, and failing that web email clients have "report spam" links. Don't understand the need for this service.

The unsubscribe link often has dark patterns to try and defeat your attempt so I can see some getting frustrated and giving up. So maybe for the less technically inclined?

But usually it doesn't. You know, because that's US law.

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Post by e_y_ »

needle0 wrote: post #145

Btw, how specific is the American CAN-SPAM act in terms of how the unsubscribe link should work? In my country I sometimes get emails with unsubscribe links that require you to log in first, which can be a pain to pull out the credentials when you don't really remember signing up for it in the first place. Does CAN-SPAM specify, say, that an unsubscribe link 1)must not require a login? 2)must lead to completion of th…

On top of that, rather often other people sign up for accounts using my email address, which is my first name + my last name at gmail. I'm guessing they missed a number or middle initial. I could password reset their account, but that seems legally/morally dubious.

Fortunately nobody's signed up for an account for anything I'd actually care to sign up for myself. It's usually some grocery store in Malaysia or something.

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Post by [deleted] »

threatofrain wrote: post #239
corobo wrote: post #57

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There are benefits to centralisation, one of which is Google's access to all Gmail spam reports I still prefer to keep my stuff away from Google's grubby hands though. Fastmail's spam filter does get better the longer you train it

Is Fastmail less centralized somehow?

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Post by corobo »

threatofrain wrote: post #239
corobo wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are benefits to centralisation, one of which is Google's access to all Gmail spam reports I still prefer to keep my stuff away from Google's grubby hands though. Fastmail's spam filter does get better the longer you train it

Is Fastmail less centralized somehow?

Did I claim it was?

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Post by [deleted] »

rtx wrote: post #161
corobo wrote: post #57

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There are benefits to centralisation, one of which is Google's access to all Gmail spam reports I still prefer to keep my stuff away from Google's grubby hands though. Fastmail's spam filter does get better the longer you train it

Which can be massaged.

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Re: Show HN: Please-unsubscribe.com – fwd emails to unsubscribe from marketing

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Post by Khoth »

arielm wrote: post #74

As someone who’s responsible for sending emails, all of the comments about “marking it as spam is easier than unsubscribing” really make me cringe. For several reasons: 1. If you subscribe to a list then please please please take the time to locate the very clearly marked unsubscribe link, or use the one that gmail or your other email client shows. I spend a lot of time making sure it’s suuuper easy to unsubscribe. 2…

I mark marketing email as spam, and not because it's easier than unsubscribing.

The vast majority of spam I receive is marketing emails from legitimate companies I bought something from, and who mistakenly think this means I want their marketing emails. I never deliberately subscribe to marketing emails, so if I get one then either:

1) They sent me marketing email without asking, therefore they deserve to be marked as spammers and get the associated hassle.

2) They had some pre-ticked "send me spam" tickybox on a web page designed to distract attention from it, therefore they deserve to be marked as spammers and get the associated hassle.

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Post by dahart »

jen729w wrote: post #225
gruturo wrote: post #67

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I have been doing this for well over 10 years and can confirm the approach, with one small tweaks: The address for friends and family should be split in 2 - one for the really technologically literate ones, who will never do stupid crap with it like using it in a pinterest "Share this!" form, and one for everyone else (who must never learn you didn't give them "best" address because they're clueless). Also, if you ow…

> Create a dedicated address everytime you subscribe to a service I tried this and don’t recommend it. Yeah, you get the advantage of knowing who leaked your address. But I don’t care. If the ‘spam and lists’ address gets too spammy, I’ll just create another. The disadvantage is that you have to configure a mail client to send from this address if you ever want to do that, and I found myself doing it far more often t…

There are services designed to allow you to think up new email addresses on the fly, with no setup, and still have them delivered. I personally like https://www.spamgourmet.com/ - you can create an identifying address on the fly that also limits the total number of emails you'll receive from that address. It solves all the issues you mentioned - it's frictionless and still allows replies, while preventing spam. The gmail '+' feature works too, but is so high profile that a lot of spammers know how to parse it.

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Post by gus_massa »

Moru wrote: post #144
gus_massa wrote: post #52

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> Get one email address for friends and family. Never ever post it online. It works until someone sends an email with cat photos to your secret address and all their contact list, and forget to use bcc.

That's why you have one mail for clueless and one for those that do have a clue. Been doing thish for 25? years :-)

Are you using the same address for those that have a clue since 25 years, or you changed it?

(I was probably using my Yahoo! address 25 years ago.)

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