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Post by Zanni »

manigandham wrote: post #176
sneak wrote: post #156

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Why do you think regulation (forcing Apple to compromise their editorial decisions) the answer? Nobody is forced into buying an iPhone. Customers willingly opt-in to these platforms.

Do you support any regulations for corporations? If so, what's the difference? Why should trillion-dollar megacorps that run our lives with little competition or escape be allowed such freedom?

Why shouldn't they? The burden to demonstrate a compelling argument should always be on those who want to restrict freedom, not on those who want to enjoy (or retain) freedom.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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Post by jtbayly »

enos_feedler wrote: post #248
jtbayly wrote: post #211

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True PWA's, for example, including push notifications.

This is false. Google has the ability to create true PWAs on chromebooks with ChromeOS. Why did they include the play store + app model instead of embracing a true PWA experience? Google has enough influence that if they could build a showcase PWA experience on the chromeOS/chromebook platform, they could get web ecosystem adoption. They were able to do this with AMP for instance.

Is your claim simply that “true” PWA’s don’t exist? I don’t care what you want to call it, I still can’t do web push notifications on my iPhone.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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Post by manigandham »

threeseed wrote: post #198
manigandham wrote: post #181

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> "the end of the gaming console model" How so?

Sony, Microsoft etc sell their hardware at a loss and recoup through software licensing. Which is not possible if you going to force them to do things like have alternative app stores or to allow any content to be used.

Ok, let's say this happens. Why is this a bad thing?

So consoles get slightly more expensive, or other revenue streams are created. Steam, Origin, Epic, UPlay and GOG all compete on the desktop while earning plenty, even though people can download games directly from the publisher today. Why can't the same model be applied to consoles which have always been basically pre-built mini computers anyway?

If you say that all these devices are computers then why have arbitrary treatment of desktops, phones and consoles?

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Post by karlp »

threeseed wrote: post #173
echelon wrote: post #151

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It's time for the DOJ to break up Apple. Together with Google, they're destroying the Internet and open computing. Soon, it'll be all information that is locked down and controlled. Computers didn't use to be like this. Apple has land grabbed their way here and is now clamping down harder than ever before. If we don't revolt, we're going to wind up in a terrible place where Apple and Google make all the movies and ga…

I am still waiting for someone to explain why an iPhone is a computer but not my Car, TV or Fridge. All of them can access web content, facilitate payments, do shopping and run applications. The reason it's important is because it would be the end of the gaming console model if they were forced to accept anything onto their app stores. Which would have pretty broad implications.

> The reason it's important is because it would be the end of the gaming console model if they were forced to accept anything onto their app stores. Which would have pretty broad implications.

Which implications precisely? Because consoles not being sold at a loss seem like a positive outcome.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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Post by manigandham »

Zanni wrote: post #251
manigandham wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you support any regulations for corporations? If so, what's the difference? Why should trillion-dollar megacorps that run our lives with little competition or escape be allowed such freedom?

Why shouldn't they? The burden to demonstrate a compelling argument should always be on those who want to restrict freedom, not on those who want to enjoy (or retain) freedom.

We're talking about restricting the freedom of a corporation to increase the freedom of people. So, as you stated, why should the status quo exist and restrict the freedom of consumers?

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Post by mulmen »

ravenstine wrote: post #172
echelon wrote: post #151

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It's time for the DOJ to break up Apple. Together with Google, they're destroying the Internet and open computing. Soon, it'll be all information that is locked down and controlled. Computers didn't use to be like this. Apple has land grabbed their way here and is now clamping down harder than ever before. If we don't revolt, we're going to wind up in a terrible place where Apple and Google make all the movies and ga…

Ain't gonna happen. This is how they want it. If they didn't, Big Tech would have been better regulated long ago. Having top down control over communication through private multinationals that all politically act in unison is exactly what the state desires.

The state desires what the voters demand. Apathy will be the death of liberty.

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Post by alasdair_ »

echelon wrote: post #188
threeseed wrote: post #173

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I am still waiting for someone to explain why an iPhone is a computer but not my Car, TV or Fridge. All of them can access web content, facilitate payments, do shopping and run applications. The reason it's important is because it would be the end of the gaming console model if they were forced to accept anything onto their app stores. Which would have pretty broad implications.

Have fun doing your taxes on your car, your banking on your tv, and your dating on your fridge. I definitely enjoy sending emails and shooting movies on my Nintendo. Speaking of which, should I get Shovel Knight on Nintendo Switch, Wii U, Xbox One, PlayStation 3, PlayStation 4, Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, or Nintendo 3DS? I have lots of these, and I'm not sure which inexpensive device is the best for playing Sho…

> Have fun doing your taxes on your car

My car’s 17-inch touchscreen-based web browser happily runs turbotax.

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Post by Anon1096 »

otterley wrote: post #183
Barrin92 wrote: post #113

Just more evidence that large platform and device owners will try to gate-keep and landgrab as much as they can and try to destroy the open web and force competitors into financial agreements to collect economic rent. There finally needs to be regulation on this. No banning of end user services as long as they're legal, I don't want a phone maker controlling what I do on the internet. It's ridiculous. Microsoft in th…

Destroying the open web? What are you talking about? Apple has a fantastic track record of making Safari a world class web browser for iOS. If Microsoft, Google, and others made these gaming offerings web apps, they’d likely work just fine.

I'm not sure how iOS can be considered a bastion for the web when it doesn't even have WebM support, which has been used across the web for years.

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Post by actuator »

arvindamirtaa wrote: post #134
kd913 wrote: post #106

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Get a raspberry pi and setup pihole with wireguard and dnscrypt-proxy. Get a hostname and basically tunnel your DNS requests to that pihole. Use Firefox and signal instead of say chrome. Disable the assistant and be aware of the privacy controls of your google account. Looking at the DNS requests made so far, it doesn't seem that much worse than an ipad or iphone. I think it depends on what you are also keeping priva…

Honestly, this is the right answer. Apple makes sure iOS apps don't ask for anymore permissions than they need. Google doesn't really care. That is the ONLY major difference. If you're mindful of what apps are asking for what permissions, you aren't gaining much from Apple's garden. If you're going 1:1 on the apps that run on both android and iOS, you'll soon see that there's very little difference. One more area whe…

What? This is completely false.

I don't know what other manufacturers are doing but Google on stock android and on Pixel does mandate asking for permissions. Even Google's own apps ask for them.

If your Pixel is stolen you have remote wipe options and newer Pixels contain Titan M chips that disallow tampering to gain access.

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