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Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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It's time for the DOJ to break up Apple. Together with Google, they're destroying the Internet and open computing. Soon, it'll be all information that is locked down and controlled. Computers didn't use to be like this. Apple has land grabbed their way here and is now clamping down harder than ever before. If we don't revolt, we're going to wind up in a terrible place where Apple and Google make all the movies and ga…

I am still waiting for someone to explain why an iPhone is a computer but not my Car, TV or Fridge. All of them can access web content, facilitate payments, do shopping and run applications. The reason it's important is because it would be the end of the gaming console model if they were forced to accept anything onto their app stores. Which would have pretty broad implications.

> "the end of the gaming console model"

How so?

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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post #156

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Why do you think regulation (forcing Apple to compromise their editorial decisions) the answer? Nobody is forced into buying an iPhone. Customers willingly opt-in to these platforms.

I do willingly opt-out of the Apple platform. However, if I lived in the US, I would be forced to buy an iPhone, because of the (you guessed it) propietary lock-in that is iMessage. Regulation is necessary.

I don't think that's correct, there is nothing forcing you to use iMessage. Lock-in is not compulsion, you can simply stop using the product.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

#183

Just more evidence that large platform and device owners will try to gate-keep and landgrab as much as they can and try to destroy the open web and force competitors into financial agreements to collect economic rent. There finally needs to be regulation on this. No banning of end user services as long as they're legal, I don't want a phone maker controlling what I do on the internet. It's ridiculous. Microsoft in th…

Destroying the open web? What are you talking about? Apple has a fantastic track record of making Safari a world class web browser for iOS. If Microsoft, Google, and others made these gaming offerings web apps, they’d likely work just fine.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you think regulation (forcing Apple to compromise their editorial decisions) the answer? Nobody is forced into buying an iPhone. Customers willingly opt-in to these platforms.

I do willingly opt-out of the Apple platform. However, if I lived in the US, I would be forced to buy an iPhone, because of the (you guessed it) propietary lock-in that is iMessage. Regulation is necessary.

What are you talking about?

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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This is silly. They’re not seperately approving every app on my VNC server either.

The distinction is that the app developer is also selling access to specific computer software running on the developer’s infrastructure, to be run in a way that appears to function just like on-device code. I don’t fully agree with Apple’s decision but I do understand it and recognise that it’s an awkward intersection between selling software and access to software that’s running elsewhere.

Couldn’t web assembly remove this line entirely?

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

#186

Just more evidence that large platform and device owners will try to gate-keep and landgrab as much as they can and try to destroy the open web and force competitors into financial agreements to collect economic rent. There finally needs to be regulation on this. No banning of end user services as long as they're legal, I don't want a phone maker controlling what I do on the internet. It's ridiculous. Microsoft in th…

Apple is a crony capitalist company looking to collect rents from other people's work. We need to aggressively call out Apple for being a crony capitalist company rigging the economy. Crony capitalist companies break competition to rig the economy. That is what Apple is doing by working to collect rents from other people's work.

That’s rich. One might argue that the guy arguing the government should force Apple to let him sell his service through the platform Apple invented, built and operates is the crony capitalist.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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This is silly. They’re not seperately approving every app on my VNC server either.

If you break any concept/law down far enough, it becomes kinda meaningless. Terms of use, or laws don't have to be written in perfect logical consistency. The important thing is intent. The intent is not to block things that resemble running an application remotely. The intent here is controlling everything that could possibly be sold/distributed as something resembling an application or game. I see these kinds of co…

Yes, I sometimes see a logical sounding but naive argument that laws should be completely free of grey area and understandable by laypersons because it would be unfair to require people to conform their conduct to laws they cannot fully understand or predict. A little experience with law shows that when the “problem space” you are trying to regulate is the real world including human intentions there is no way to make things logically complete and airtight and free of unfair edge cases so in practice law is somewhat a social construct where you have to have the human enforcers interpreting fairly.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

#188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's time for the DOJ to break up Apple. Together with Google, they're destroying the Internet and open computing. Soon, it'll be all information that is locked down and controlled. Computers didn't use to be like this. Apple has land grabbed their way here and is now clamping down harder than ever before. If we don't revolt, we're going to wind up in a terrible place where Apple and Google make all the movies and ga…

I am still waiting for someone to explain why an iPhone is a computer but not my Car, TV or Fridge. All of them can access web content, facilitate payments, do shopping and run applications. The reason it's important is because it would be the end of the gaming console model if they were forced to accept anything onto their app stores. Which would have pretty broad implications.

Have fun doing your taxes on your car, your banking on your tv, and your dating on your fridge.

I definitely enjoy sending emails and shooting movies on my Nintendo.

Speaking of which, should I get Shovel Knight on Nintendo Switch, Wii U, Xbox One, PlayStation 3, PlayStation 4, Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, or Nintendo 3DS? I have lots of these, and I'm not sure which inexpensive device is the best for playing Shovel Knight.

Cancel that. I'm not sure I like all of that choice. Which of my seven affordable iPhones from a wide variety of vendors should I download and install it to? Can I redeem my Steam credit?

Fuck Apple. Their behavior makes them a blemish upon our industry.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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post #143
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Seems odd (to be charitable and say the least)... Do they vet music/movie streaming services content too?

Streaming apps arrives are a way to bypass the App Store. That’s why they are banned unless the individual apps or games are submitted individually. It’s not really surprising they don’t want other companies running storefronts on iOS. The ‘consistency’ argument is just not valid.

isn't a website also a way to bypass the app store?

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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Whats next iphones only opening approved websites? EDIT: While that seems super sarcastic. Consider this: Game streaming services are in the end just a gateway app to games, in the same way the browser is a gateway to the internet. Furthermore apple already did hinder "browserish" gateways, like apps which are a gateway to more ergonomically reading word-press blogs or message apps which where gateways to a federated…

> Whats next iphones only opening approved websites? Unironically, I think that this could happen soon. That sounds crazy, but here me out. Pretty recently there was an announcement regarding a streamer service, that would allow people to play Fortnite, from their phone, through a mobile safari So, in order to block fortnite form being played on an iPhone, Apple would literally have to do what you are suggesting.

Apple does encourage streaming apps to use Safari, they even worked together with Amazon to improve Safari for game streaming: https://www.engadget.com/luna-amazon-cloud-gaming-interview-...

So no, they are not going to block websites.

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