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Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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Post by zinekeller »

banachtarski wrote: post #162
zinekeller wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, most developers with an opinion on "new IE" says that Google Chrome is the new IE. There are cases of Firefox and Safari implementing features and Chrome-specific behavior that they won't endorse but are used by webistes (notably, unsurprisingly, Google's sites) [1, 2, 3]. Additionally, there are features that most have requested but are effectively being blocked by Google [3]. 1: https://hacks.mozilla.org/…

I think you’re really cherry picking here. Most developers that frequent “caniuse” most likely encounter lack if safari support above every other browser. Also have you seen webgl 2? What a joke from the webkit team. Yes webgpu is on the way but it’s been like a decade now.

I'm arguing on to the "Safari is the new IE" here (unless you're being pedantic on this and say Safari is Mac IE's replacement in 2003), not on what Safari actually lacks (which is many and it also bugs me to no end). There are more features that are actually being essentially "vetoed" by the Chrome team not implementing than by Safari's implementation being delayed (which is somehow around 5 years late).

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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Post by ravenstine »

echelon wrote: post #151
Barrin92 wrote: post #113

Just more evidence that large platform and device owners will try to gate-keep and landgrab as much as they can and try to destroy the open web and force competitors into financial agreements to collect economic rent. There finally needs to be regulation on this. No banning of end user services as long as they're legal, I don't want a phone maker controlling what I do on the internet. It's ridiculous. Microsoft in th…

It's time for the DOJ to break up Apple. Together with Google, they're destroying the Internet and open computing. Soon, it'll be all information that is locked down and controlled. Computers didn't use to be like this. Apple has land grabbed their way here and is now clamping down harder than ever before. If we don't revolt, we're going to wind up in a terrible place where Apple and Google make all the movies and ga…

Ain't gonna happen. This is how they want it. If they didn't, Big Tech would have been better regulated long ago. Having top down control over communication through private multinationals that all politically act in unison is exactly what the state desires.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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Post by threeseed »

echelon wrote: post #151
Barrin92 wrote: post #113

Just more evidence that large platform and device owners will try to gate-keep and landgrab as much as they can and try to destroy the open web and force competitors into financial agreements to collect economic rent. There finally needs to be regulation on this. No banning of end user services as long as they're legal, I don't want a phone maker controlling what I do on the internet. It's ridiculous. Microsoft in th…

It's time for the DOJ to break up Apple. Together with Google, they're destroying the Internet and open computing. Soon, it'll be all information that is locked down and controlled. Computers didn't use to be like this. Apple has land grabbed their way here and is now clamping down harder than ever before. If we don't revolt, we're going to wind up in a terrible place where Apple and Google make all the movies and ga…

I am still waiting for someone to explain why an iPhone is a computer but not my Car, TV or Fridge.

All of them can access web content, facilitate payments, do shopping and run applications.

The reason it's important is because it would be the end of the gaming console model if they were forced to accept anything onto their app stores. Which would have pretty broad implications.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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Post by ethanwillis »

threeseed wrote: post #173
echelon wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's time for the DOJ to break up Apple. Together with Google, they're destroying the Internet and open computing. Soon, it'll be all information that is locked down and controlled. Computers didn't use to be like this. Apple has land grabbed their way here and is now clamping down harder than ever before. If we don't revolt, we're going to wind up in a terrible place where Apple and Google make all the movies and ga…

I am still waiting for someone to explain why an iPhone is a computer but not my Car, TV or Fridge. All of them can access web content, facilitate payments, do shopping and run applications. The reason it's important is because it would be the end of the gaming console model if they were forced to accept anything onto their app stores. Which would have pretty broad implications.

All of these things are.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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Post by dice1-6 »

judge2020 wrote: post #165
echelon wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's time for the DOJ to break up Apple. Together with Google, they're destroying the Internet and open computing. Soon, it'll be all information that is locked down and controlled. Computers didn't use to be like this. Apple has land grabbed their way here and is now clamping down harder than ever before. If we don't revolt, we're going to wind up in a terrible place where Apple and Google make all the movies and ga…

Break up how? Apple's main argument against Epic is that the iPhone (and related devices) wouldn't be successful without the app store and the app store wouldn't be a thing without the iPhone, thus they're both a part of the same product (the Apple ecosystem). It's hard to argue against that, so there's not many more places where it would make sense for an Apple break-up.

Apple could be forced to allow alternative stores and browsers. They get money for iPhone there is really no reason for restrict the store.

So phone and app store could be naturally cut like for android ecosystem.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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Post by manigandham »

sneak wrote: post #156
Barrin92 wrote: post #113

Just more evidence that large platform and device owners will try to gate-keep and landgrab as much as they can and try to destroy the open web and force competitors into financial agreements to collect economic rent. There finally needs to be regulation on this. No banning of end user services as long as they're legal, I don't want a phone maker controlling what I do on the internet. It's ridiculous. Microsoft in th…

Why do you think regulation (forcing Apple to compromise their editorial decisions) the answer? Nobody is forced into buying an iPhone. Customers willingly opt-in to these platforms.

Do you support any regulations for corporations? If so, what's the difference?

Why should trillion-dollar megacorps that run our lives with little competition or escape be allowed such freedom?

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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Post by SllX »

Pfhreak wrote: post #170
superkuh wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not being glib when I say: just don't use Apple. Yes, what they do is bad. But it isn't force. It isn't coercion. It's people coming to them and wanting to use their services. Just don't use their services. Just because you feel powerless in making individual choices doesn't mean advocating for the use of force against the company is moral.

Individual action can be important. Regulation is also a valuable tool. When we discover behaviors that are dangerous, regulating them is absolutely reasonable and moral.

Nah, most of the regulations that people want is just reactionary BS to something or another, in this case, Apple is keeping a certain class of toys out of the App Store. I mean, that's not to say it isn't scummy, but scummy to the level that it ought to be illegal and Apple should be treated like I dunno, PG&E or Old Ma Bell? Not even close.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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Post by TheRealSteel »

threeseed wrote: post #173
echelon wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's time for the DOJ to break up Apple. Together with Google, they're destroying the Internet and open computing. Soon, it'll be all information that is locked down and controlled. Computers didn't use to be like this. Apple has land grabbed their way here and is now clamping down harder than ever before. If we don't revolt, we're going to wind up in a terrible place where Apple and Google make all the movies and ga…

I am still waiting for someone to explain why an iPhone is a computer but not my Car, TV or Fridge. All of them can access web content, facilitate payments, do shopping and run applications. The reason it's important is because it would be the end of the gaming console model if they were forced to accept anything onto their app stores. Which would have pretty broad implications.

Because the iPhone's purpose is to be a computer. A car's purpose is to move people. My toothbrush isn't a computer just because it has a chip in it which technically computes things.

I do agree the lines can be blurry and poorly defined.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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Post by Fricken »

judge2020 wrote: post #165
echelon wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's time for the DOJ to break up Apple. Together with Google, they're destroying the Internet and open computing. Soon, it'll be all information that is locked down and controlled. Computers didn't use to be like this. Apple has land grabbed their way here and is now clamping down harder than ever before. If we don't revolt, we're going to wind up in a terrible place where Apple and Google make all the movies and ga…

Break up how? Apple's main argument against Epic is that the iPhone (and related devices) wouldn't be successful without the app store and the app store wouldn't be a thing without the iPhone, thus they're both a part of the same product (the Apple ecosystem). It's hard to argue against that, so there's not many more places where it would make sense for an Apple break-up.

That argument goes both ways. The iphone would be pretty lame without other people's content to gatekeep.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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Post by esclerofilo »

sneak wrote: post #156
Barrin92 wrote: post #113

Just more evidence that large platform and device owners will try to gate-keep and landgrab as much as they can and try to destroy the open web and force competitors into financial agreements to collect economic rent. There finally needs to be regulation on this. No banning of end user services as long as they're legal, I don't want a phone maker controlling what I do on the internet. It's ridiculous. Microsoft in th…

Why do you think regulation (forcing Apple to compromise their editorial decisions) the answer? Nobody is forced into buying an iPhone. Customers willingly opt-in to these platforms.

I do willingly opt-out of the Apple platform. However, if I lived in the US, I would be forced to buy an iPhone, because of the (you guessed it) propietary lock-in that is iMessage.

Regulation is necessary.

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