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Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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Post by smnrchrds »

Aerroon wrote: post #100
Aeolun wrote: post #71

This is silly. They’re not seperately approving every app on my VNC server either.

Does this mean that soon you will only be able to visit websites that Apple whitelists for Safari?

Of course. There are so many dangerous websites out there. Scams, low quality content and user experience, websites that won't let you cancel easily. Have you ever tried to see what a terrible place the Internet is on Android? That's why I pay a premium to Apple, so I don't have to worry about using subpar websites. Apple quality control ensures only good websites are allowed to be accessible on Apple ® Internet Pro Max ®. The 100$ per year registration fee and the 30% cut to Apple keeps the low quality out and the Apple review makes sure there are no malware and scams. Do you remember what a horror show it was back in the days of the Open Web? That's why I recommend iPhones and Macs to my family, so I don't have to worry about them getting scammed or reading bad content on the internet. /s

Replace websites with apps and open web with PCs and you get the usual defence many people on HN make about Apple's practices in App Store.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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Post by paulryanrogers »

MarioMan wrote: post #119
sp332 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll bite - what's the difference between a movie-streaming app and a game-streaming app?

The difference is that a movie streaming app streams fixed content while game streaming essentially streams arbitrary apps, albeit limited to gaming in this situation. From Apple's perspective, this sort of precedent could lead to entire app ecosystems bypassing the app store via streaming. It would be a workaround to Apple's refusal to allow third party stores on iOS. The same risk doesn't apply to more constrained…

Fair point. But the more likely explanation is simpler, Apple can do it with little risk of losing customers. Then they can justify it with flimsy arguments like 'quality control' if/when challenged.

Netflix has plenty of obscene and naughty content that Apple doesn't insist on policing.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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Post by treve »

Aeolun wrote: post #71

This is silly. They’re not seperately approving every app on my VNC server either.

If you break any concept/law down far enough, it becomes kinda meaningless.

Terms of use, or laws don't have to be written in perfect logical consistency. The important thing is intent.

The intent is not to block things that resemble running an application remotely. The intent here is controlling everything that could possibly be sold/distributed as something resembling an application or game.

I see these kinds of comments a lot, where someone describes a rule or law, break it down to it's core components and declare it's illogical.

Generally laws are not enforced exactly by how they are written, but by their original intent. This is also why legal precedent and testing laws in court is so important.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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Post by arvindamirtaa »

kd913 wrote: post #106
madjam002 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m on iPhone thinking of making the switch too. Any privacy tips you recommend for Android?

Get a raspberry pi and setup pihole with wireguard and dnscrypt-proxy. Get a hostname and basically tunnel your DNS requests to that pihole. Use Firefox and signal instead of say chrome. Disable the assistant and be aware of the privacy controls of your google account. Looking at the DNS requests made so far, it doesn't seem that much worse than an ipad or iphone. I think it depends on what you are also keeping priva…

Honestly, this is the right answer.

Apple makes sure iOS apps don't ask for anymore permissions than they need. Google doesn't really care. That is the ONLY major difference. If you're mindful of what apps are asking for what permissions, you aren't gaining much from Apple's garden.

If you're going 1:1 on the apps that run on both android and iOS, you'll soon see that there's very little difference.

One more area where iOS is better is security. Your iPhone is basically a paperweight if it's stolen and the thief doesn't know your password. But that's another story.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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Post by arvindamirtaa »

kinkrtyavimoodh wrote: post #48
dathinab wrote: post #6

Whats next iphones only opening approved websites? EDIT: While that seems super sarcastic. Consider this: Game streaming services are in the end just a gateway app to games, in the same way the browser is a gateway to the internet. Furthermore apple already did hinder "browserish" gateways, like apps which are a gateway to more ergonomically reading word-press blogs or message apps which where gateways to a federated…

I mean the only reason this seems sarcastic is because the web predates the App Store by a few decades and so we are used to the web working this way. If the concept had come up after the App Store had been published, Apple would have done exactly this.

100%

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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Post by [deleted] »

HashThis wrote: post #118
Barrin92 wrote: post #113

Just more evidence that large platform and device owners will try to gate-keep and landgrab as much as they can and try to destroy the open web and force competitors into financial agreements to collect economic rent. There finally needs to be regulation on this. No banning of end user services as long as they're legal, I don't want a phone maker controlling what I do on the internet. It's ridiculous. Microsoft in th…

Apple is a crony capitalist company looking to collect rents from other people's work. We need to aggressively call out Apple for being a crony capitalist company rigging the economy. Crony capitalist companies break competition to rig the economy. That is what Apple is doing by working to collect rents from other people's work.

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Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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Post by jonny_eh »

treve wrote: post #133
Aeolun wrote: post #71

This is silly. They’re not seperately approving every app on my VNC server either.

If you break any concept/law down far enough, it becomes kinda meaningless. Terms of use, or laws don't have to be written in perfect logical consistency. The important thing is intent. The intent is not to block things that resemble running an application remotely. The intent here is controlling everything that could possibly be sold/distributed as something resembling an application or game. I see these kinds of co…

Nah. This is silly even at face value. Google Play allows these apps, because of course they would since blocking them is silly.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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Post by jonny_eh »

bluedino wrote: post #76
Aeolun wrote: post #71

This is silly. They’re not seperately approving every app on my VNC server either.

You’re not VNC’ing into a game machine, though.

shadow.tech is available via the App Store ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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Post by zepto »

jMyles wrote: post #117
Aerroon wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does this mean that soon you will only be able to visit websites that Apple whitelists for Safari?

To be consistent, yes, it has to mean that. This is worth discussing every time this comes up.

No - it clearly doesn’t mean that.

They regulate the store, not the web.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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Post by [deleted] »

reader_mode wrote: post #79
sharken wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me it’s the anti-gaming sentiment that Apple promotes which is at fault. Not going back to Apple until they change their ways. So hello Sony Xperia 5 II and goodbye IPhone 11.

I doubt they are anti gaming - they spotlighted League of Legends mobile in the iPhone 12 launch. They just want to milk everything on the app store. I'm so torn on Apple - on the one hand their ecosystem is the most complete and works the best, but on the other hand they try to take a cut from every revenue stream on their platforms, keep a walled garden and often lock out things that are useful to me. For example i…

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