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Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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How do apps like WeChat are allowed then? There are entire platforms and mini-programs inside.

Presumably they feed Apple money by the billions.

they don't need to feed them anything. A phone in China without access to Wechat is metal junk. It's actually WeChat which has the dominant position on that front.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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Apple has always wanted to block "browser" type apps. If it can be used to install or view hundreds of other apps, then it's probably not a good fit for the iOS garden. We willingly give Apple money under this premise. I'm not sure why this is surprising.

How do apps like WeChat are allowed then? There are entire platforms and mini-programs inside.

Let’s face it. It has never been about fairness. Only profit maximization.

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Just more evidence that large platform and device owners will try to gate-keep and landgrab as much as they can and try to destroy the open web and force competitors into financial agreements to collect economic rent.

There finally needs to be regulation on this. No banning of end user services as long as they're legal, I don't want a phone maker controlling what I do on the internet. It's ridiculous. Microsoft in the 90s doesn't even compare to this, it's on an entirely different level. If competition regulation would actually still exist we'd tear apple a new one.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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That sounds good, what's the magazine app?

Kadokawa’s manga pre-publishing app, comic days (japanese only): https://apps.apple.com/jp/app/%E3%82%B3%E3%83%9F%E3%83%83%E3... For those interested there is the equivalent for Jump comics and a few others (Pixiv etc.), those must also be available as web only subscriptions.

Thanks!

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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This is silly. They’re not seperately approving every app on my VNC server either.

Does this mean that soon you will only be able to visit websites that Apple whitelists for Safari?

No, because then they couldn't point apps they don't like to the web.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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Just more evidence that large platform and device owners will try to gate-keep and landgrab as much as they can and try to destroy the open web and force competitors into financial agreements to collect economic rent. There finally needs to be regulation on this. No banning of end user services as long as they're legal, I don't want a phone maker controlling what I do on the internet. It's ridiculous. Microsoft in th…

> There finally needs to be regulation on this. No banning of end user services as long as they're legal

I was with you up until this moment.

Doesn't this just shift the power to a less accountable authority in the state?

What about content that isn't legal but which is, you know, not child abuse or similar? Does that deserve a platform also? I think that being able to view content on a phone regardless of its approval by the state is essential to a free society.

And, as always, the question is: legal where?

Healthier is for people to find and enact workarounds to this censorship, and to cause Apple to be unable to profitably proceed.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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This is silly. They’re not seperately approving every app on my VNC server either.

Does this mean that soon you will only be able to visit websites that Apple whitelists for Safari?

To be consistent, yes, it has to mean that. This is worth discussing every time this comes up.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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Just more evidence that large platform and device owners will try to gate-keep and landgrab as much as they can and try to destroy the open web and force competitors into financial agreements to collect economic rent. There finally needs to be regulation on this. No banning of end user services as long as they're legal, I don't want a phone maker controlling what I do on the internet. It's ridiculous. Microsoft in th…

Apple is a crony capitalist company looking to collect rents from other people's work. We need to aggressively call out Apple for being a crony capitalist company rigging the economy.

Crony capitalist companies break competition to rig the economy. That is what Apple is doing by working to collect rents from other people's work.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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It is consistent. There are fundamental differences between the apps you've mentioned and these game-streaming apps that clearly delineate why those are approved and why these are not.

I'll bite - what's the difference between a movie-streaming app and a game-streaming app?

The difference is that a movie streaming app streams fixed content while game streaming essentially streams arbitrary apps, albeit limited to gaming in this situation. From Apple's perspective, this sort of precedent could lead to entire app ecosystems bypassing the app store via streaming. It would be a workaround to Apple's refusal to allow third party stores on iOS. The same risk doesn't apply to more constrained and static content like video, books, and music.

I feel its important to mention that the issue is not quite as clear cut as this, since we have interactive Netflix movies and an ecosystem of web-based apps via Safari, but this seems to be Apple's rationale.

Re: Apple blocks game streaming services unless individual games are approved

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It's weird that they specifically worked with Amazon to make their Luna game streaming service work as a PWA on iOS: “We worked with the Safari team to ensure that some of the things that weren't there are there, and that allowed us to kind of get to where we are today,” Luna head of engineering and technology George Tsipolitis said. https://www.engadget.com/luna-amazon-cloud-gaming-interview-...

"Safari team" doesn't necessarily have the same motivations as "App Store review team." Apple, as a company, needs to play nice with the web.

lol. There's a reason Safari is called the new IE. So many features missing or buggy, not following standards.
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