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Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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Can we have a conversation about broader implications of the increasing power in the public discourse of Twitter et al.? I’m no Trump supporter but I do wonder if the tables were turned and Twitter e.g. turned Biden’s page into a wall of hidden tweets because of something it disagreed with (there are enough grievances with Big Tech from both sides). Do people think this is isolated (because Trump is, well, Trump) or…

I definitely think this is the future. And other countries are wise to take note, and consider very carefully the threat Twitter poses to their sovereignty.

It's exceedingly likely that American liberals will tell you what to do, and pat themselves on the back.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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Looks like Biden would be able to fulfill his promise of not changing anything: https://www.salon.com/2019/06/19/joe-biden-to-rich-donors-no... If the same situation persists in 2016 like the deep economical divide, we may even see another Trump like figure rising

I agree with this perspective. We have not seen the end of Donald Trump. We have tough years ahead.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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A big problem that divides us is property renters versus owners: owners have spent the last several decades restricting access to property, and that's now raised the cost of the most productive metro areas to unacceptable levels: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/03/the-ren... Many millions of people, especially but not exclusively the young, have in effect been gated out of prosperity. Matt Yglesias'…

it is free market at work. private property rights is the cornerstone of capitalism and free market. if you want land for all, then its no longer capitalism.

land/property ownership is not a right. access to housing for those who cant afford it should be provided by the govt. many countries do this. at least in california, high property values is favoured by the govt because it is a sure source of property taxes.

a lot of issues can be sorted if high rise affordable housing can be built outside expensive zipcodes and create a good public transport network.* instead, (here in ca), they are building 'affordable housing' inside the most expensive zipcodes and increasing toll roads and hiking tolls...and not improving public transport systems. looks like this is what the govt wants.

*we just wasted money on it.. with no regards for the millions and millions raised in bonds by voters who trusted those whom they elected: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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I've always felt that the Trump presidency served as an effective form of "Chaos Engineering". Regardless of your views of Trump's politics, his administration and method of leadership has exposed a lot of flaws in how our government has been designed and engineered. The postmortem of the last 4 years should be analyzed deeply in order to identify the weak points in the infrastructure of our government in order to ma…

> The postmortem of the last 4 years

I don't think the US will have the time for a "post-mortem", this is not a bug that just disappeared/was solved because Trump is no longer president. More people voted for him in 2020 than they did in 2016, the racist things that he has said and done have not come out of no-where, he had (and still has) a strong support behind him, and that support won't disappear over night.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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I've always felt that the Trump presidency served as an effective form of "Chaos Engineering". Regardless of your views of Trump's politics, his administration and method of leadership has exposed a lot of flaws in how our government has been designed and engineered. The postmortem of the last 4 years should be analyzed deeply in order to identify the weak points in the infrastructure of our government in order to ma…

>Regardless of your views of Trump's politics, his administration and method of leadership has exposed a lot of flaws in how our government has been designed and engineered.

Chief among which was allowing the election of someone like Trump to begin with.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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What is really keeping me up at night is the existential problem the US faces for the next 50 years: the ever increasingly large divide that is the polarizing of the electorate. We have to come together as Americans or someone will divide and conquer us.

I feel like a big reason for the divide is the filter bubbles[1] the public has trapped themselves in. I wanted to force myself to read news from both sides of the divide rather than simply NPR, which was my go-to source for several years. In spite of RSS readers being essentially dead, there are still RSS feeds available. So I mashed up feeds from 10 left and right leaning sources each and created Smash the Bubble[2…

I have tried to do the same, signing up for the Flip Side newsletter, among other things. I think it’s still hard for me, an over-educated progressive, to understand the American right. Here are the problems:

1. Reality is often only reported in “liberal” news sources. A lot of information is censored on right wing sources.

2. Both types of news sources editorialize in the headline. Sometimes it’s hard to know they even refer to the same story.

3. People trying to achieve balance in reporting often relocate players onto the wrong team. For example, the Mueller report is not a “left wing” document and balance is not achieved by putting Mueller against a Trump surrogate.

4. “Liberal” sources already include plenty of right wing opinions. For example, David Brooks and Ross Douthat write for the New York Times. There’s no equivalent among the Wall St Journal columnists or Fox News hosts.

5. News stories found only in right wing sources are usually mendacious. For example, reporting about the Michigan ballot glitch without mentioning that it was human error and corrected before reporting the results.

Fundamentally, it’s not that we have differing information, it’s that we only accept information that confirms our world view. I can read dozens of articles written from the point of view that universal health care will destroy the country and not one will ever resonate with me. It’s just too silly to me.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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What is really keeping me up at night is the existential problem the US faces for the next 50 years: the ever increasingly large divide that is the polarizing of the electorate. We have to come together as Americans or someone will divide and conquer us.

I honestly believe this is just a return to normal for both sides. Conservatism, before being injected with neoliberalism by Thatcher and Reagan, has been about leaving other countries alone while focusing on protecting American interests. Speak softly and carry a big stick. Conservatives have never wanted US hegemony traditionally. Preservation of Bretton Woods has had to be a focus post-WWII in order to combat the spread of anti-American communism. Now that the Cold War has ended, conservatives have tried to find a way back to focusing on American interests. It’s a delicate balance that has to be struck though. I think this is also the reason for the split in the Democratic Party. “Establishment” members are focused on preserving the neoliberal Bretton Woods status quo. The progressives are focused on doing away with the oligarchy that system has created and moving towards a more socialistic global society.

I believe this is really just a return to the way things used to be, before the US decided to intervene in WWII and had to find a way to pay for the massive cost of that. Conservative and liberal are not opposites like everybody thinks these days. Conservative and progressive are opposites. Liberal and authoritarian are opposites. Both parties are (or should be) focused on the American ideal of liberalism and representative government chosen by the people while either preserving traditional values or advocating for enlightenment values.

However, real life is not that cut and dry, politics are messy, parties don’t fall exactly along these lines and the media plays a part in dictating who should believe what. But in general I think Trump is an indicator that we’re headed for a more traditional alignment of values. Who knows, perhaps a viable third party will emerge from this. A Conservative party, a progressive party, and a Bretton Woods establishment party.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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While it’s true that the US government needs structural reform, the issue wasn’t anything the Constitution can fix by nibbling around the edges. The issue is that the unified Republican elite, along with > 35% of the electorate, is fundamentally lawless and anti-democratic, and will do anything it can to cheat its way into power. All three branches are implicated and have been for a while: Bush v Gore in 2000, the US…

(We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25017663.)

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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For me the bottomline of the Trump administration is that he has started zero new wars, sparing hundreds of thousands of innocent lives. As an outsider I hope that the US will not go back to its foreign military interventions.

I'm 38 and Trump is the first president in my lifetime to not start another war. It is a big achievement.
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