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Post by ChrisClark »

lovecg wrote: post #124

Can we have a conversation about broader implications of the increasing power in the public discourse of Twitter et al.? I’m no Trump supporter but I do wonder if the tables were turned and Twitter e.g. turned Biden’s page into a wall of hidden tweets because of something it disagreed with (there are enough grievances with Big Tech from both sides). Do people think this is isolated (because Trump is, well, Trump) or…

Proven lies that are trying to kill the democratic election process should be hidden by default.

It's not even censorship, they are all there still and anyone can read them.

But proven lies need to be called out. Freedom of the press allows us to call out politicians on their lies.

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Post by TechBro8615 »

faebi wrote: post #282

Is this good or bad for the stock market? Or does it not matter at all?

It depends on the senate. If republicans hold control of it after GA runoffs in January, then it will be good for the market. The market likes gridlock.

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Post by DennisP »

deftnerd wrote: post #179

I've always felt that the Trump presidency served as an effective form of "Chaos Engineering". Regardless of your views of Trump's politics, his administration and method of leadership has exposed a lot of flaws in how our government has been designed and engineered. The postmortem of the last 4 years should be analyzed deeply in order to identify the weak points in the infrastructure of our government in order to ma…

That's true. I've been kinda shocked to discover how much our system depends on entirely voluntary norms. It's not nearly as resilient to determined attack as I'd always thought.

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Post by throwaway5752 »

charliemil4 wrote: post #217

We should trust but verify the results. The basis of facts should be settled in the following: 1. Select all ballots that were sent to the same address - or sent to the same Post Office (grouping all PO Boxes by post office). ^ Here you are trying to see if there is systemic voting behaviors out of the ordinary -- i.e. did 10+ ballots go to one address. 2. Select all ballots that were sent to an alternate address tha…

This just doesn't happen. This has been a cause celebre of one party in the use for more than a decade and they have found on the order of a dozen proven examples of voter fraud.

https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/B... has hard data.

The problem, which doesn't require citation as it has been in the news for weeks, is partisan voter suppression, disenfranchisement (DC, Puerto Rico, Guam), and gerrymandering.

Every single thing you have suggested has been investigated and have found something on the order of 1* 10^-4 % rates of occurrence.

To remind everyone, there was a lawsuit to disenfranchise over 100,000 voters in Texas because of disagreement in how their ballots were submitted. Not recounted, not rechecked. Summarily tossed out. > 1000 times more people would have been effected by this one incident than there were provable instances of voter fraud (most of which was based on confusion by elderly). Limited voting hours, closures of voting stations so common they are accepted now but they are outrageous.

This is leaving aside the well documented actions of DeJoy during his time with the USPS. I would also like to see an investigation with subpoena of communications of of the company that caused delays in the printing/mailing of PA absentee ballots https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/politics/elections/clevela... and tracing the threatening robocall campaign in swing states: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/11/03/robocal...

The US doesn't have a voting integrity issue, it has a voting suppression issue.

edit: just another example of the egregious attempts at disenfranchising voters: https://ktar.com/story/3681236/elections-officials-lawyer-ca...

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Post by adamsea »

lovecg wrote: post #124

Can we have a conversation about broader implications of the increasing power in the public discourse of Twitter et al.? I’m no Trump supporter but I do wonder if the tables were turned and Twitter e.g. turned Biden’s page into a wall of hidden tweets because of something it disagreed with (there are enough grievances with Big Tech from both sides). Do people think this is isolated (because Trump is, well, Trump) or…

Maybe we should have federally refulated aocial media then, or the social media version of PBS.

Then we as a democracy could decide via legislation and law what is approrpriate and what is not.

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Post by dehrmann »

deftnerd wrote: post #179

I've always felt that the Trump presidency served as an effective form of "Chaos Engineering". Regardless of your views of Trump's politics, his administration and method of leadership has exposed a lot of flaws in how our government has been designed and engineered. The postmortem of the last 4 years should be analyzed deeply in order to identify the weak points in the infrastructure of our government in order to ma…

It also exposed how we've kicked the can down the road with North Korea and China (having to work with local businesses, forced IP transfers, and IP theft). Not that his approaches to either were all that productive; with China in particular, a lot of traditional US allies have similar gripes, so it'd be easy to build a coalition, but not when you're also engaged in a trade war with them.

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Post by theonemind »

gigatexal wrote: post #138

What is really keeping me up at night is the existential problem the US faces for the next 50 years: the ever increasingly large divide that is the polarizing of the electorate. We have to come together as Americans or someone will divide and conquer us.

It seems like the divide comes from an escalating fixation on having your side win, rather than doing the best for the country. As each side focuses more on winning even at the expense of public good, the other side has to ratchet up to match it to get any input at all.

I sort of feel like we're in that old tale where king Solomon says they should cut the baby in two, and both sides are like "ok, I'll take my half of the baby, then."

Ultimately, though, I personally blame the extreme right wing, mostly. I think they're dying, and they're not going down without a fight, like, you know, disinformation, bullying, holding the country hostage metaphorically, whatever. If they're going down, the whole system's going down with them.

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Post by tbirdny »

jseliger wrote: post #257

A big problem that divides us is property renters versus owners: owners have spent the last several decades restricting access to property, and that's now raised the cost of the most productive metro areas to unacceptable levels: https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/03/the-ren... Many millions of people, especially but not exclusively the young, have in effect been gated out of prosperity. Matt Yglesias'…

Yes. Hence the popularity of #vanlife and #tinyhouse.
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