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Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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Post by MrBuddyCasino »

sergiotapia wrote: post #35

How does this election relate to the 2000 election when all media called Gore the winner, but then in December, Bush became the president elect? https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanponciano/2020/11/04/the... "On election night, it was unclear who had won, with the electoral votes of the state of Florida still undecided. The returns showed that Bush had won Florida by such a close margin that state law required a rec…

The media also called Tilden over Hayes in 1876 and Dewey over Truman in the 1940s. Its almost as if they're not the ones to decide the winner of an election.

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Post by brudgers »

sdfhbdf wrote: post #83

Interesting fact I noticed: If Biden is to take the presidency after the Electoral Collage voted that would make him the oldest president to take office yet, also interesting that wikipedia already marked Biden as president-elect [0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_Unit...

An article on the steps Wikipedia was taking two weeks ago around the election. https://www.wired.com/story/wikipedias-plan-to-resist-electi...

This suggests that experienced editors have reached consensus regarding the likely outcome of the election.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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Post by brown9-2 »

lovecg wrote: post #124

Can we have a conversation about broader implications of the increasing power in the public discourse of Twitter et al.? I’m no Trump supporter but I do wonder if the tables were turned and Twitter e.g. turned Biden’s page into a wall of hidden tweets because of something it disagreed with (there are enough grievances with Big Tech from both sides). Do people think this is isolated (because Trump is, well, Trump) or…

It’s hard to think of a realistic example of the type of misinformation that is damaging to our society and democracy that Joe Biden could post. I think we need to acknowledge the unique threat that Trump is/was and stop both sides-ing this.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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Post by Bluestein »

sdfhbdf wrote: post #83

Interesting fact I noticed: If Biden is to take the presidency after the Electoral Collage voted that would make him the oldest president to take office yet, also interesting that wikipedia already marked Biden as president-elect [0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_Unit...

Further, Biden will be older when entering the office, than the next-older, Reagan, was when -leaving- the office.-

Also, of course, Kamala Harris makes history as first woman of color elected US vicepresident.-

Biden has already changed his Twitter bio to "president-elect": - https://twitter.com/joebiden

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Post by robertlagrant »

lovecg wrote: post #124

Can we have a conversation about broader implications of the increasing power in the public discourse of Twitter et al.? I’m no Trump supporter but I do wonder if the tables were turned and Twitter e.g. turned Biden’s page into a wall of hidden tweets because of something it disagreed with (there are enough grievances with Big Tech from both sides). Do people think this is isolated (because Trump is, well, Trump) or…

I don't think Jack Dorsey would do that to a Democratic candidate.

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Post by [deleted] »

lovecg wrote: post #124

Can we have a conversation about broader implications of the increasing power in the public discourse of Twitter et al.? I’m no Trump supporter but I do wonder if the tables were turned and Twitter e.g. turned Biden’s page into a wall of hidden tweets because of something it disagreed with (there are enough grievances with Big Tech from both sides). Do people think this is isolated (because Trump is, well, Trump) or…

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Post by jungletime »

sergiotapia wrote: post #35

How does this election relate to the 2000 election when all media called Gore the winner, but then in December, Bush became the president elect? https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanponciano/2020/11/04/the... "On election night, it was unclear who had won, with the electoral votes of the state of Florida still undecided. The returns showed that Bush had won Florida by such a close margin that state law required a rec…

Yes, I think so.

Fact is that mail in voting has been banned in European countries and elections overturned because its much easier to cheat.

I would need more some statistical evidence. So far I have seen graphs pointing out how Biden's tally doesn't follow Benford’s Law.

https://principia-scientific.com/joe-bidens-votes-violate-be...

"Michigan County Clerk Admits Voting Software Glitch "Skewed" Results, Trump To Gain 6,000 Votes

https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/michigan-county-clerk-adm...

This is going to go in front of the Supreme Court. Twitter should not be trying to hide the fact that one of the parties claims fraud. A huge number of people voted for Trump. Let him make his case.

My Gut instinct is that it is suspicious that some democratic counties got 90% turnout.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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Post by guscost »

lovecg wrote: post #124

Can we have a conversation about broader implications of the increasing power in the public discourse of Twitter et al.? I’m no Trump supporter but I do wonder if the tables were turned and Twitter e.g. turned Biden’s page into a wall of hidden tweets because of something it disagreed with (there are enough grievances with Big Tech from both sides). Do people think this is isolated (because Trump is, well, Trump) or…

Whatever their justification, it is obvious that there is absolutely going to be a tendency to do this with anyone who is even half as much of an outsider as Trump. The notion that these watchmen are simply protecting us from “lies” is a naive delusion. And yes, regardless of your politics, that is not a good thing for citizens.

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Post by redwood »

lovecg wrote: post #124

Can we have a conversation about broader implications of the increasing power in the public discourse of Twitter et al.? I’m no Trump supporter but I do wonder if the tables were turned and Twitter e.g. turned Biden’s page into a wall of hidden tweets because of something it disagreed with (there are enough grievances with Big Tech from both sides). Do people think this is isolated (because Trump is, well, Trump) or…

I think that while it may seem like a slippery slope at first, it is what we need. I think it's actually quite similar to the immune system analogy in the comment above. We need to have democratic participants in a democratic process. Our immune system needs to repel the undemocratic elements in some capacity.

Admittedly the question becomes how we can in a fair manner judge what ideas in which context can have such a dangerous impact as to be non-democratic.

We all have to reflect how close fascism and other kinds of ideologies always are just beneath the surface, and that we are all susceptible of falling on that train it isn't specifically another group that is.

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Post by TuringNYC »

lovecg wrote: post #124

Can we have a conversation about broader implications of the increasing power in the public discourse of Twitter et al.? I’m no Trump supporter but I do wonder if the tables were turned and Twitter e.g. turned Biden’s page into a wall of hidden tweets because of something it disagreed with (there are enough grievances with Big Tech from both sides). Do people think this is isolated (because Trump is, well, Trump) or…

I think the harder problem is not the binary cases but the shades of gray.

Want to ban Nazi's? I wont disagree, most people wont.

Want to ban group X which is fighting with group Y in a tit-for-tat skirmish over decades? How do you decide who is right? How do you decide truth?

What about cases where someone has done something bad in response to something bad done earlier? Do you ban one side? The other? Both? Does the side with more political/status power decide who gets banned?

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