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Voters rejecting the war on drugs is a win for public health

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Re: Voters rejecting the war on drugs is a win for public health

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Post by downrightmike »

gravypod wrote: post #4

Could this be a situation where politicians have faulty data and use that to guide how they act? I would have assumed that a majority of these states - and my home state of NJ - would be very anti-drug but these votes with >60% in favor of legalization show that significant portions of America think drug-related activities are not "immoral" or "wrong" and should not be criminalized. If you had asked me a few years ag…

The war on drugs was started as a way to target people of color by Nixon. Before then, MJ was around and used, it is a plant and good pain killer that you can grow yourself. And Nixon stated that is why he was doing it in the White House tapes. For 50 years the WoD was used to justify invading other countries and setting up coups and all that has lead to our current issue with powerful militarized Narco gangs and all the people trying to get asylum in the US. So the GOP created a war to go after people of color and now are using terrible results of their actions to further justify why the GOP should stay in power. And the ignorant voters who don't study any history eat that up. What has happened is that enough people have seen through the rhetoric and failed policies and see that the laws have to change to support the evidence.

Re: Voters rejecting the war on drugs is a win for public health

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Post by gotoeleven »

bjt2n3904 wrote: post #6

> Cannabis has been rebranded as a wellness panacea. Mushrooms and MDMA are making headlines as therapy tools, not party fuel. Man, these guys are late to the party. Alcohol works great for treating symptoms of stress, too! Can't be stressed, anxious, or depressed if I'm blitzed out of my mind!

Have you tried cocaine??? It's great!

Re: Voters rejecting the war on drugs is a win for public health

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Post by [deleted] »

bjt2n3904 wrote: post #6

> Cannabis has been rebranded as a wellness panacea. Mushrooms and MDMA are making headlines as therapy tools, not party fuel. Man, these guys are late to the party. Alcohol works great for treating symptoms of stress, too! Can't be stressed, anxious, or depressed if I'm blitzed out of my mind!

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Re: Voters rejecting the war on drugs is a win for public health

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Post by bjt2n3904 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #10
bjt2n3904 wrote: post #6

> Cannabis has been rebranded as a wellness panacea. Mushrooms and MDMA are making headlines as therapy tools, not party fuel. Man, these guys are late to the party. Alcohol works great for treating symptoms of stress, too! Can't be stressed, anxious, or depressed if I'm blitzed out of my mind!

> Alcohol works great for treating symptoms of stress Yes? This is how it can work. If you can’t have some wine without cleaning out the village, it might be a sign of alcoholism.

It's one thing to acknowledge that alcohol has an affect on stress. But that isn't what this is happening.

It would be another thing entirely to REBRAND alcohol as a "therapy tool". FFS.

Re: Voters rejecting the war on drugs is a win for public health

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Post by __s »

gotoeleven wrote: post #12
bjt2n3904 wrote: post #6

> Cannabis has been rebranded as a wellness panacea. Mushrooms and MDMA are making headlines as therapy tools, not party fuel. Man, these guys are late to the party. Alcohol works great for treating symptoms of stress, too! Can't be stressed, anxious, or depressed if I'm blitzed out of my mind!

Have you tried cocaine??? It's great!

Exhilaration and lasting euphoria, which in no way differs from the normal euphoria of the healthy person. You perceive an increase of self-control and possess more vitality and capacity for work. In other words, you are simply normal, and it is soon hard to believe you are under the influence of any drug. Long intensive physical work is performed without any fatigue. This result is enjoyed without any of the unpleasant after-effects that follow exhilaration brought about by alcoholic beverages. No craving for the further use of cocaine appears after the first, or even after repeated taking of the drug.

Re: Voters rejecting the war on drugs is a win for public health

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Post by pjc50 »

bjt2n3904 wrote: post #6

> Cannabis has been rebranded as a wellness panacea. Mushrooms and MDMA are making headlines as therapy tools, not party fuel. Man, these guys are late to the party. Alcohol works great for treating symptoms of stress, too! Can't be stressed, anxious, or depressed if I'm blitzed out of my mind!

Amphetamines were originally marketed as diet pills. Valium (diazepam) was marketed as a stress reducer.

Re: Voters rejecting the war on drugs is a win for public health

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Post by vmception »

__s wrote: post #15
gotoeleven wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you tried cocaine??? It's great!

Exhilaration and lasting euphoria, which in no way differs from the normal euphoria of the healthy person. You perceive an increase of self-control and possess more vitality and capacity for work. In other words, you are simply normal, and it is soon hard to believe you are under the influence of any drug. Long intensive physical work is performed without any fatigue. This result is enjoyed without any of the unpleas…

I just wish currently illicit/scheduled drugs simply had the same list of disclaimers that FDA-approved drugs had. The side effects aren't different enough to be rebuttals to support their prohibition.

Re: Voters rejecting the war on drugs is a win for public health

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Post by vmception »

gravypod wrote: post #4

Could this be a situation where politicians have faulty data and use that to guide how they act? I would have assumed that a majority of these states - and my home state of NJ - would be very anti-drug but these votes with >60% in favor of legalization show that significant portions of America think drug-related activities are not "immoral" or "wrong" and should not be criminalized. If you had asked me a few years ag…

people don't agree with locking up the consumers.

Re: Voters rejecting the war on drugs is a win for public health

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

bjt2n3904 wrote: post #14
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Alcohol works great for treating symptoms of stress Yes? This is how it can work. If you can’t have some wine without cleaning out the village, it might be a sign of alcoholism.

It's one thing to acknowledge that alcohol has an affect on stress. But that isn't what this is happening. It would be another thing entirely to REBRAND alcohol as a "therapy tool". FFS.

> that isn't what this is happening

Of course it is. You have never seen an ad selling some drink as a tool for unwinding after a stressful day?

Anything psychologically active can be sold for therapeutic and recreational uses. And anything used for the latter can be abused.

Re: Voters rejecting the war on drugs is a win for public health

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Post by freedomben »

downrightmike wrote: post #11
gravypod wrote: post #4

Could this be a situation where politicians have faulty data and use that to guide how they act? I would have assumed that a majority of these states - and my home state of NJ - would be very anti-drug but these votes with >60% in favor of legalization show that significant portions of America think drug-related activities are not "immoral" or "wrong" and should not be criminalized. If you had asked me a few years ag…

The war on drugs was started as a way to target people of color by Nixon. Before then, MJ was around and used, it is a plant and good pain killer that you can grow yourself. And Nixon stated that is why he was doing it in the White House tapes. For 50 years the WoD was used to justify invading other countries and setting up coups and all that has lead to our current issue with powerful militarized Narco gangs and all…

I completely agree with you. But, some advice, if you want to have a chance at changing somebody's mind, leave out the attack on the GOP. You trigger emotional thinking and defensiveness when you do that.
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