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Re: Show HN: Please-unsubscribe.com – fwd emails to unsubscribe from marketing

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Post by vntok »

nikanj wrote: post #85
arielm wrote: post #74

As someone who’s responsible for sending emails, all of the comments about “marking it as spam is easier than unsubscribing” really make me cringe. For several reasons: 1. If you subscribe to a list then please please please take the time to locate the very clearly marked unsubscribe link, or use the one that gmail or your other email client shows. I spend a lot of time making sure it’s suuuper easy to unsubscribe. 2…

3. This is not an ad hominem, and I'm sure you're part of the 1%, but 99% of newsletters I receive are spam that I never wanted in the first place. Companies employ a tremendous range of dark patterns to get my consent for email, then flood me with spam. Time after time I have unsubscribed from the "best products of the week"-newsletter, just to receive a "weekly product highlights"-newsletter the next day. According…

Don't be sorry. If you receive something you don't want to receive, that is the definition of spam.

Re: Show HN: Please-unsubscribe.com – fwd emails to unsubscribe from marketing

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Post by graeme »

arielm wrote: post #74

As someone who’s responsible for sending emails, all of the comments about “marking it as spam is easier than unsubscribing” really make me cringe. For several reasons: 1. If you subscribe to a list then please please please take the time to locate the very clearly marked unsubscribe link, or use the one that gmail or your other email client shows. I spend a lot of time making sure it’s suuuper easy to unsubscribe. 2…

> Now, if you can’t unsubscribe (because there’s no link, it’s broken, or simply doesn’t actually unsubscribe), and this is a legit company, please please please let them know.

I mostly agree with you, but this point only works if the company is contactable. There are some companies sending stuff from no reply addresses.

Those I just spam. At that scale companies need to be testing, if they’ve left no way to be reached.

Re: Show HN: Please-unsubscribe.com – fwd emails to unsubscribe from marketing

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Post by scrollaway »

nikanj wrote: post #86
scrollaway wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Literally all he said was that he was "sending emails". You have no idea what he's sending.

It's like someone who says they're doing MLM. It's possible it's not snake oil, but it very probably is.

Why do you even have an email address then? You clearly think email can't possibly be useful.

Re: Show HN: Please-unsubscribe.com – fwd emails to unsubscribe from marketing

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Post by the_french »

I honestly have never wanted to receive mail from anyone other than a real human being. There is not a single 'account update' or marketing mail, etc.. that I am happy to see, nor has there ever been.

Does anyone actually enjoy those mails? How is it any better than the classic physical letterbox spam that used to be more common?

Re: Show HN: Please-unsubscribe.com – fwd emails to unsubscribe from marketing

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Post by Etheryte »

arielm wrote: post #74

As someone who’s responsible for sending emails, all of the comments about “marking it as spam is easier than unsubscribing” really make me cringe. For several reasons: 1. If you subscribe to a list then please please please take the time to locate the very clearly marked unsubscribe link, or use the one that gmail or your other email client shows. I spend a lot of time making sure it’s suuuper easy to unsubscribe. 2…

I get where you're coming from, but I'd like to offer an alternative perspective. Outside of these mailing lists I never even subscribed to but magically got added to on signing up or what not, I don't receive any spam. Spam in the way it used to be is not a problem today. The mailing list _is_ the spam, and if reporting it makes the spammy business less viable, that's a double win.

Re: Show HN: Please-unsubscribe.com – fwd emails to unsubscribe from marketing

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Post by laurent123456 »

arielm wrote: post #74

As someone who’s responsible for sending emails, all of the comments about “marking it as spam is easier than unsubscribing” really make me cringe. For several reasons: 1. If you subscribe to a list then please please please take the time to locate the very clearly marked unsubscribe link, or use the one that gmail or your other email client shows. I spend a lot of time making sure it’s suuuper easy to unsubscribe. 2…

No, if you send an unwanted email people have no obligation to ensure your company preserves a good spam rating, and are free to do whatever they want to do with your email.

The good news is that if you improve your process and send less unwanted emails, they'll be less flagged as spam and you'll keep a good spam rating. The system works basically.

Re: Show HN: Please-unsubscribe.com – fwd emails to unsubscribe from marketing

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Post by vntok »

CPLX wrote: post #66
kristaps wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure sending only legitimely useful emails to customers will not get any vendor blacklisted.

You’re sure that Google’s vast completely automated system for determining which senders should be blacklisted has zero false positives?

It's alright though, because senders who get blacklisted will act swiftly to get authorized again.

Re: Show HN: Please-unsubscribe.com – fwd emails to unsubscribe from marketing

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Post by sleavey »

user5994461 wrote: post #80
arielm wrote: post #74

As someone who’s responsible for sending emails, all of the comments about “marking it as spam is easier than unsubscribing” really make me cringe. For several reasons: 1. If you subscribe to a list then please please please take the time to locate the very clearly marked unsubscribe link, or use the one that gmail or your other email client shows. I spend a lot of time making sure it’s suuuper easy to unsubscribe. 2…

>>> please please please take the time to locate the very clearly marked unsubscribe link You mean the one word link in font 6 hidden maybe somewhere at the bottom of the email if it's there at all? I have never seen an easy clearly marked unsubscribe in my life. When at look at my friends and parents who are not as computer savvy and often don't see things put in front of them, there is no way they would ever manage…

What's worse is when the unsubscribe link takes you to a page where you can select the reason why you are unsubscribing, and it doesn't include an option like "I never signed up to this mailing list". I've never in my life checked the box to sign up to any mailing list, so this is always my reason, yet some arrogant marketers believe they always obtain consent when they add emails to their mailing lists and so remove this option.

Re: Show HN: Please-unsubscribe.com – fwd emails to unsubscribe from marketing

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Post by sleavey »

nullandvoid wrote: post #79

For me fast mail alias for every site I use, and a password manager, mean spam is a problem of the past Feels great having separation on every site

How does this reduce spam? All it tells you is which site sold or leaked your information to the spammer.

Re: Show HN: Please-unsubscribe.com – fwd emails to unsubscribe from marketing

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Post by marketingPro »

the_french wrote: post #94

I honestly have never wanted to receive mail from anyone other than a real human being. There is not a single 'account update' or marketing mail, etc.. that I am happy to see, nor has there ever been. Does anyone actually enjoy those mails? How is it any better than the classic physical letterbox spam that used to be more common?

Newsletters?

I do studies and publish them free.

I have a 0.5% spam rate, which is unacceptable according to the guardians of email.

Using Facebook/twitter/YouTube to notify people of updates is at danger of getting blocked/censored.

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