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Privacy-preserving features in the Mobile Driving License

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Re: Privacy-preserving features in the Mobile Driving License

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Post by swiley »

rootsudo wrote: post #12

This is horrible, it should remain a card. Why should a cell phone, or any technological device now be required for participation in society or to validate yourself to any government official? At that point, where do you draw the line of privacy? You're carrying with you an object that you can't trust 100% and can work against you anytime. This is truly chilling dystopian type stuff. Soon a cell phone will be require…

> can work against you anytime.

Often does work against you really.

Re: Privacy-preserving features in the Mobile Driving License

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Post by [deleted] »

_trampeltier wrote: post #16

What a stupid idea. After a weekend in nature, you now have to worry, you phone still has power to drive a car. And more stupid, hand over my phone unlocked to the police or to everybody who wanna see the license. More worse, until now, they just checked and it was ok. From now an, everybody is always saved after that in a DB. And why is that more secure? If you cheated until know and showed a false ID, so you show n…

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Re: Privacy-preserving features in the Mobile Driving License

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Post by aeternum »

rootsudo wrote: post #12

This is horrible, it should remain a card. Why should a cell phone, or any technological device now be required for participation in society or to validate yourself to any government official? At that point, where do you draw the line of privacy? You're carrying with you an object that you can't trust 100% and can work against you anytime. This is truly chilling dystopian type stuff. Soon a cell phone will be require…

It can be encrypted by a key held within the phone's TPM so it is up to you whether or not to unlock the phone and launch the app that allows the car to be scanned.

Re: Privacy-preserving features in the Mobile Driving License

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Post by freeone3000 »

gruez wrote: post #8
kelnos wrote: post #5

> Crucially, the mDL application can ask the user to approve which data to release and may require the user to authenticate with fingerprint or face — none of which a passive plastic card could ever do. I kinda feel like most people, when threatened by an authority figure with a gun, will approve whatever data that person asks for. The place where I do think this is valuable is when showing ID to get into a bar, or a…

>I kinda feel like most people, when threatened by an authority figure with a gun, will approve whatever data that person asks for. It's not supposed to be a foolproof solution. The point is to prevent the officer from casually looking through your photos/texts after you gave him the phone.

The solution to that is a plastic card that has none of that info.

Re: Privacy-preserving features in the Mobile Driving License

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Post by olyjohn »

1123581321 wrote: post #11

Would there be any way for similar protections to come to digital auto insurance cards?

Why would you need that? Insurance cards have zero security on them anyways. There's no standard format for paper cards as is is. All I have ever had is a piece of paper that I ran off on my printer, and it says "EVIDENCE OF INSURANCE" in Times New Roman and lists off a bunch of crap that the police can't verify. Some states, having a card is pointless, because if you lose your policy, the state finds out and already has record of it.

Re: Privacy-preserving features in the Mobile Driving License

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Post by hansjorg »

rootsudo wrote: post #12

This is horrible, it should remain a card. Why should a cell phone, or any technological device now be required for participation in society or to validate yourself to any government official? At that point, where do you draw the line of privacy? You're carrying with you an object that you can't trust 100% and can work against you anytime. This is truly chilling dystopian type stuff. Soon a cell phone will be require…

The techno-fetishists are taking over. The kind of people whose reaction to dystopian sci-fi is, "I want those cool gadgets".

Re: Privacy-preserving features in the Mobile Driving License

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Post by olyjohn »

_trampeltier wrote: post #16

What a stupid idea. After a weekend in nature, you now have to worry, you phone still has power to drive a car. And more stupid, hand over my phone unlocked to the police or to everybody who wanna see the license. More worse, until now, they just checked and it was ok. From now an, everybody is always saved after that in a DB. And why is that more secure? If you cheated until know and showed a false ID, so you show n…

The thing that kills me is the fact that if you are driving your own car, the police already know who you are and if you have a license when you get pulled over. The whole requirement to have a card on you is bogus bullshit, and only serves to make you a criminal if you happen to forget it.

If you drive the car of a person who has a suspended license, you will get pulled over. Their ALPR system will automatically flag you, and the officer will tell you that he ran your plates and pulled you over because the owner has a suspended license. That might be a good time to have a physical ID on you to prove you're not the owner. BUT at the same time, if you know your DL number, or even your name and address, there's no reason the cops can't look you up to verify who you are.

Re: Privacy-preserving features in the Mobile Driving License

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Post by sydneycatalyst »

I would like this better if it included ID that blind and low vision people use to substitute for licenses. I don’t like that this plan seems to lock out proof of identity services for people with disability by design.

I know this is a real problem because I can hardly see. I don’t have a license. It causes continuous problems in real life.

I live in Oz. You are supposed to be able to use a “Photo Card” to prove identity the same as a drivers license. It takes the same amount of proof to get a “Photo Card” from the government as a drivers license. They look the same as a drivers license, even the same holograms, but a different colour.

But I have continuous trouble dealing with banks, insurers, government (crazy!), post office, telephone companies, internet companies. I bought a passport mostly because it easier to carry that around.

If we get an app that only accepts drivers license and not the official photo card equivalent it means we’ll get told by contact centres to drive (!) to our nearest branch of whatever and bring a folder full of ID and hope the drone will accept it.

Re: Privacy-preserving features in the Mobile Driving License

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Post by Zanni »

kelnos wrote: post #5

> Crucially, the mDL application can ask the user to approve which data to release and may require the user to authenticate with fingerprint or face — none of which a passive plastic card could ever do. I kinda feel like most people, when threatened by an authority figure with a gun, will approve whatever data that person asks for. The place where I do think this is valuable is when showing ID to get into a bar, or a…

As ID to get into a bar, I think minimally they'd need access to your photo too, to ensure you haven't just borrowed (or bought) a phone.
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