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San Francisco voters approve taxes on highly paid CEOs, big businesses

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Re: San Francisco voters approve taxes on highly paid CEOs, big businesses

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San Francisco's solution to everything seems to be to just keep raising taxes, and throwing money at things which don't work. At some point you have to realize that more money isn't always the solution, you actually have to fix your beurocracy. It's insane to me that the city with so many rich people and incredibly valuable companies is such a mess, your telling me that a small city with an incredibly wealthy populat…

This isn’t rocket science. When taxes were high American Main Street did well. What’s pathetic is social media’s projecting ignorance and air gapped criticism. I see little to no alternative options offered, despite all the economic huff and puff and engineering wisdom supposedly possessed by that community. Same banal political speak. A little less “Monday Morning quarterback” and a bit more connection to facts woul…

How come the residents of CA voted to legalize drug use?

Re: San Francisco voters approve taxes on highly paid CEOs, big businesses

#722

It will work out well fiscally because giant companies will suck it up and pay, but it looks like a bad strategy from a forward-looking point of view. You want to incentivize future growth too, and you want to make sure that 20 years down the line, you have the new FAANGs of the world giving you millions in tax dollars, because history has shown that the largest of companies can eventually die out, and tech is full o…

What makes you think the very slight disincentive to future startups outweighs the hundreds of millions in health services funding? Remember that healthcare has a compounding positive effect, because healthy people have an easier time contributing to society, and unhealthy people are more likely to need public services.

You're assuming health services has a funding problem already. The US spends more per person than any country already.

Re: San Francisco voters approve taxes on highly paid CEOs, big businesses

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post #713

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I have hired people in the farm who were getting homeless benefits. I have also hired juvenile girls who lived in a half way house as part of their rehabilitation. The homeless worker ..one of them..had more benefits than the young girls. I wish I could have worked more with them. People need help. The right help at the right time for the right people is more effective than blanket free for alls. He was living in his…

I read this as: [The homeless worker] was living in his grandmother’s two million dollar Mountain View home and I have a hard time imagining why anyone would consider that "homeless". Could you elaborate/clarify?

Definition of homelessness in California: California defines homelessness if you come out of an institution(jail in this case..but also includes substance abuse rehab, mental institution etc) after a 90 day stay and don’t have a place to stay. If you don’t have a utility bill in your name, then you can be called homeless.

Because he was in jail twice consecutively and was out on bail, if he could claim mental disability he doesn’t have to go back. But if he can claim mental disability and homelessness..citing them as a reason not to work, he could get benefits for life.

He skipped something legal and was at risk for going back to jail. So he just claimed that he was sleeping on the streets and didn’t have an address.

Look..he was really smart. At that point, I really wanted to help him and I can even appreciate some lateral thinking for problem solving. I didn’t mind that he was using a break to get back on his feet. If someone says they are mentally disabled, I am going to believe them and not question it.

But he was doing things that made me feel unsafe because he was setting up the stage for me vouching for his mental instability if I were questioned. Like fire. He would get the blow torch for everything..wasp, weeds, gophers. I have worked previously with the homeless and previously incarcerated. And the most harrowing, addicts. With the former, it’s easy to integrate them back into society. A lot of times you know when you are being lied to and that’s ok too.

But our loopholes are so gaping in CA that people who need help are not getting the right kind of help. And it’s nuts to keep doing the same thing again and again ..and keep expecting the same results. And just throwing more money at it is not doing it differently. A lot of organizations, non profits and sub contractors who win bids are making more money than what actually goes to the homeless people. Homelessness alleviation is an industry of its own. Without the homeless, there would be a lot of jobs that do homelessness outreach. Which by itself could be a way to prevent future homelessness. But that’s just creating jobs to give people money..those needing other kinds of help are not getting it. Because at the end of the day, money doesn’t solve the problem entirely.

https://www.provost.usc.edu/initiatives/wicked-problems/home...

Re: San Francisco voters approve taxes on highly paid CEOs, big businesses

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I have never seen rents drop due to high density. If anything, rents are cheaper in sparsely populated areas. Examples abound. Rents won’t become cheaper if we build more. However, building more will certainly mean more property taxes for the government. San Francisco gets several millions of dollars to spend from which they spend a measly amount on the homeless(and that’s over 350 million/annum)..where is the rest?…

>I have never seen rents drop due to high density. You think housing is somehow immune to supply and demand? If that's the case, you can't claim rents are rising due to increase demand from young professionals. Which then raises the question: "What does affect rental prices?"

I am questioning the claim that we need to build more affordable housing by going high density.

Re: San Francisco voters approve taxes on highly paid CEOs, big businesses

#725

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Honest question why are you blaming the homeless for fucking up things for the rest of us? In my experience the rich are far more guilty (as a generalized group) of fucking things up for me. The rich have polluted the planet, raised the global temperature up a whole degree. The damage is that now I can’t go outside in late summer, if it doesn’t rain the week before, because the air is poisoned by soot from forest fir…

> The rich have polluted the planet Rich people aren't tipping over trashcans or shitting on my sidewalk. > raised the global temperature up a whole degree This doesn't actually affect you, you've just been brainwashed into thinking it's the most important thing ever. Emissions are going down in all of the most highly developed countries. As technology improves, this will improve as well. You're complaining about pro…

> Rich people aren't tipping over trashcans or shitting on my sidewalk.

Are you seriously equating globally warming the planet with littering? Yes the latter is annoying but the former is literally killing a significant number of people around the world every day. You can’t blame the fires solely on bad forest management. Yes forests in California could (and should) be managed better, but with the climate disaster fueling them I think those effort would be futile.

> They provide you with a job. You are free to start your own business. Rich people can't stop you.

Again, seriously? Reality check, if this were an actual option more people would do it. How many people get rich (or are able to at least make a living) after starting a business from a working wage? In the real world, normal folks can’t afford to start a business, and even if we could, the risk of failure is too great for us to risk loosing everything and ending up in debt for it.

Re: San Francisco voters approve taxes on highly paid CEOs, big businesses

#726
post #713

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I read this as: [The homeless worker] was living in his grandmother’s two million dollar Mountain View home and I have a hard time imagining why anyone would consider that "homeless". Could you elaborate/clarify?

Definition of homelessness in California: California defines homelessness if you come out of an institution(jail in this case..but also includes substance abuse rehab, mental institution etc) after a 90 day stay and don’t have a place to stay. If you don’t have a utility bill in your name, then you can be called homeless. Because he was in jail twice consecutively and was out on bail, if he could claim mental disabil…

I want to add another story. At my orchard farm, there was a homeless lady who’d come by to use the packing shed. She was an older person and had a dog with her at all times. She was clearly mentally unstable. She used the shed to hold meetings with her imaginary friends. After I pull in, I have to wait while she opens the swing door and tells each one of her imaginary friends at the meeting..’thank you. Please come again’. Like 5-7 times. Then she’d give me a withering look and leave with her dog.

I played along because I knew she was harmless. Then one day the dog disappeared and my general rule at the farm was not to leave any tools outside unlocked. Someone must have left a shears outside one evening. When I came back, she had gone on a rampage at the lavender field and shredded the greenhouse plastic. I don’t know if she was ill or she had lost her meds.

I had to call the cops and I had to check with insurance. I did not want her in jail. I only wanted her to get her meds.

But the cops(they were remarkably kind and they were already frazzled by this kind of issue in a semi rural area) said their hands are tied. They literally can’t help her or get her meds or even find out if she has any next of kin without arresting her. Because of fourth amendment and privacy issues. If booked, she could get fingerprinted. And then they can find out if she is a missing person or if she has any prior history etc.

This was difficult for me. I agreed that the next time I will file a complaint because I didn’t want her to be in the system and on police records. But she never came back. We’d never know what happened to her. She disappeared..just like that. Did I do the right thing? I don’t know! Did the cops have enough authority? I don’t know! There are homeless advocates.

Because I have a story for that too. There were a bunch of young homeless people who became squatters in my farm. They stole things. Used the place to sell drugs. Stole electricity. Destroyed my property and fencing multiple times. Again the cops couldn’t do anything. They had to go via the homeless advocates and non profits because cops are not allowed to deal with this issue. But are they drug dealers(and we are not talking marijuana here) or homeless people? Net net, I have to absorb the losses on a farm that was not making much anyways. Worse, they were cutting the trees by the creek, build bridges from the greenhouse lumber they cut, made make shift ‘apartments’ and cottages with plywood and tarp... and pooping in the creek and I would go every weekend and pick up poop, condoms, needles because I grow food. I can’t have stuff like this around. And the homeless advocates did nothing while they continued to trash my farm and made it their sales HQ.

And start ups. Don’t get me started. A billion dollar company that could have provided safe solutions to mentally ill and homeless population BACKED off from selling their product because they didn’t want to work with the police. Because it would affect future funding and the woke progressive climate in SV won’t look favourably on anyone who works with cops and law enforcement. The clowns had taken over the circus when the employees tender woke feelings matter more than delivering actual solutions to the needy. This is tragic. And I will not pay any more taxes to enable this lunacy that is The California Democratic Goat Rodeo.

Re: San Francisco voters approve taxes on highly paid CEOs, big businesses

#727

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Definition of homelessness in California: California defines homelessness if you come out of an institution(jail in this case..but also includes substance abuse rehab, mental institution etc) after a 90 day stay and don’t have a place to stay. If you don’t have a utility bill in your name, then you can be called homeless. Because he was in jail twice consecutively and was out on bail, if he could claim mental disabil…

I want to add another story. At my orchard farm, there was a homeless lady who’d come by to use the packing shed. She was an older person and had a dog with her at all times. She was clearly mentally unstable. She used the shed to hold meetings with her imaginary friends. After I pull in, I have to wait while she opens the swing door and tells each one of her imaginary friends at the meeting..’thank you. Please come…

Oh! And the time the squatters’s clients backed up their truck into my fence and the squatters offered to pay for it. With beer. For life.

Re: San Francisco voters approve taxes on highly paid CEOs, big businesses

#728

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This isn’t rocket science. When taxes were high American Main Street did well. What’s pathetic is social media’s projecting ignorance and air gapped criticism. I see little to no alternative options offered, despite all the economic huff and puff and engineering wisdom supposedly possessed by that community. Same banal political speak. A little less “Monday Morning quarterback” and a bit more connection to facts woul…

How come the residents of CA voted to legalize drug use?

Years after other states and nations.

Exceptional.

Gritty.

Mercia.

Re: San Francisco voters approve taxes on highly paid CEOs, big businesses

#729
post #666

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If I make the mean wage I wouldn’t mind seeing it go to 50%, provided that if someone that makes one standard deviation above the mean wage go up to 73.1058579%. I hope you see which taxation function I prefer from this ;)

You can always pay more in "taxes" if you want. The government is not going to refuse your money. If you want to donate money to the city and county of San Francisco, go here: http://sfgov.org/give2sf

To reiterate: “I want to tax the hell out of the rich, not just to get money to manage our shared spaces, but also to take their money away from them”

Re: San Francisco voters approve taxes on highly paid CEOs, big businesses

#730
post #641

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Landowners are a minority in the city. The divide is deeper than just property values because 100% BMR units are obstructed the same way.

if landowners are a minority of the city, then how do laws pass that benefit them so much at the cost of the majority?

Look at this year's no on 15 campaign. If you lie, but lie loud enough, even people who are hurt by your tax cut will support it.
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