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Travis CI's new pricing plan threw a wrench in my open source works

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Re: Travis CI's new pricing plan threw a wrench in my open source works

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Post by Faaak »

luord wrote: post #71

It might be because I'm more familiar with the syntax, but I find gitlab-ci easier to reason about than github actions. At least, it's a single file instead of a workflow and any number of actions. This is to say, if I were in Jeff's situation, I would seriously consider moving to GitLab (with mirrors in github for visibility), or at least setting up their ci to trigger from github. Though maybe I'm just speaking fro…

I love gitlab-ci for this exact reason: you're not vendor-locked-in in any way. Running out of credits ? Just run your own gitlab-runner.

Re: Travis CI's new pricing plan threw a wrench in my open source works

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Post by account42 »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #19

Oh boy, I just moved my projects from travis-ci.org to travis-ci.com after the builds stopped happening on .org. (Despite the travis FAQ that said "we’re making a number of changes to the travis-ci.org infrastructure to ensure the service will remain as reliable and available to you as it always has been until [it goes away Dec 31]", that was not the case, builds simply stopped working on .org. https://docs.travis-ci…

> we all know we can't develop this stuff without CI

Of course we can, we just down't want to.

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Post by rleigh »

geerlingguy wrote: post #41
azdle wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, their lowest paid tier is $69/month. I dunno about you, but that's way more than I can justify spending to be able to support doing work for free. If they had a $50/year or so plan that just restored the previous open source plan, I'd be more willing to consider something like that, but >$800 a year puts it firmly out of my price bracket for what it offers me.

This. I am willing to pay but there's no way I can spend my yearly "save for a new laptop every couple years" budget on one SaaS for projects that generally contribute $0.00 to my bottom line.

This is why I use GitLab with self-hosted runners for all sorts of esoteric platforms, then use their linux runners for the basics. I don't like to freeload, so I do have a Bronze subscription which includes a certain number of monthly CI minutes for private projects, as mentioned here: https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2020/09/01/ci-minutes-upda.... But I rarely make use of it. Also note that there are special arrangements for Open Source projects.

I can totally understand limiting the number of minutes available. It must cost an absolute fortune, and having it unbounded makes it easy to abuse. Having to pay makes developers have to consider if they really need to go overboard on huge build matrices and limit themselves to something reasonable. Likewise for constraining the amount of network traffic. If you don't want to blow your budget, then self-hosting is an obvious and easy choice.

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Post by cactus2093 »

jpalomaki wrote: post #117
Znafon wrote: post #111

I don't understand this reaction and the reaction of many people in this thread. To me it looks like choosing beggars, maybe I'm missing something. Travis-CI was giving a ton of computing power for free, no questions asked. That was incredibly generous but had certainly a gigantic cost and it powered many OSS projects for a long time. Yet how can we complain that they can throw money around, some says that it will re…

Not sure if would work, but it might be worth trying to have some kind of "donate CI time for this project" button on the platform. Could be onetime payment or a recurring donation (charged together with whatever payments you have for the platform).

There’s a lot of things Travis ci could do. This is a great idea to help offset their costs, they could also have made their platform better to bring in more paying companies. They haven’t at all kept up with competitors as tooling and build processes have evolved in the past 9 years (namely easy to use docker-native test environments, and parallelization options for big codebases).

I agree with the parent comment, it’s bizarre to blame this on the new acquiring company and to be mad about this development. Travis ci has been asleep at the wheel for many years, and projects have been benefiting from it with huge amounts of free compute for years, but now the free money has run out.

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Post by sounds »

geerlingguy wrote: post #45
sounds wrote: post #8

Hey Jeff, This is hitting me hard, too. I hope this is the right moment for me to pipe up and say this: I always just do the minimum with these CI integrations to get my shell script to run. I am grateful for the free minutes they offer open source projects - but any of the deeper integrations, the advanced automation? No, thanks. It's not like the other developers who use what I write have any more motivation than I…

Makefiles are the gold standard there, warts and all. But in every case, unless you encode a whole plethora of hacks in your golden build script, you still need minimal environment setup, like Python + Docker + [insert library here]. Most of my Travis files are only 10-20 lines long, but I work in a lot of different types of environments, so it's not always as easy as "three lines of bash and a docker run command". P…

I'd be interested to have a deeper discussion with you about Makefiles, sometime.

We've actually migrated all our projects off Makefiles. Developers hate having to live within the constraints.

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Post by danpalmer »

Znafon wrote: post #111

I don't understand this reaction and the reaction of many people in this thread. To me it looks like choosing beggars, maybe I'm missing something. Travis-CI was giving a ton of computing power for free, no questions asked. That was incredibly generous but had certainly a gigantic cost and it powered many OSS projects for a long time. Yet how can we complain that they can throw money around, some says that it will re…

TravisCI bought goodwill and marketing of their paid offering by offering free builds for open source products.

Effectively removing or severely restricting that benefit will essentially lose the goodwill and word of mouth marketing.

It's true that to criticise someone giving you something for free is being a "choosing beggar", but that's not really what's happening here. TravisCI has bought something with their free offering, so it's fair that they lose that when they revoke that offering.

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Post by monkeybutton »

InsaneOstrich wrote: post #66
monkeybutton wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>do the minimum with these CI integrations to get my shell script to run This. 100%. Where I'm working is migrating from Bamboo to Jenkins. For my team the new process is just calling "./build-test $params" while others are stuck re-implementing various stages, tasks and blah blah blah. Also an added bonus to this is having the full history of changes to the CI/CD process tracked in git.

Are you moving to Jenkins because of the recent Atlassian license changes?

Not entirely but I think it was the straw that broke the camel's back. Apparently our journey to the cloud will have to wait.
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