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San Francisco voters approve taxes on highly paid CEOs, big businesses

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Re: San Francisco voters approve taxes on highly paid CEOs, big businesses

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Post by Jommi »

runarberg wrote: post #446
ransom1538 wrote: post #422

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"It's insane to me that the city with so many rich people and incredibly valuable companies is such a mess, your telling me that a small city with an incredibly wealthy population can't figure out how to keep the tenderloin from being full of tents and open drug use? Or get some form of functioning public transit? Pretty pathetic." SF resident for 15 years until I left. I walked around and talked to homeless. From th…

Speaking as someone that lived in van in SF for 6 month before I left for immigration reasons: 1. I’m not from SF, I came there to live with my partner who was in school there but we couldn’t afford a place to rent. 2. I’ve never been homeless anywhere else and I wouldn’t have been homeless in SF if rent was fair. 3. I’ve never pan handled, but I didn’t need to. Dumpster diving is easy, there is plenty of free food o…

Why did you feel the need to live in SF if you couldn't afford it?

Re: San Francisco voters approve taxes on highly paid CEOs, big businesses

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Post by jonsno56 »

jelliclesfarm wrote: post #377
macspoofing wrote: post #158

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>we've had the opposite problem: lots of highly paid tech firms moving into SF. Quite the problem ... the kind of problem that multitudes of cities and regions in the world are desperately trying to recreate. >This has changed the nature of San Francisco in a way that many dislike, including me. This is where progressives don't live up to their name. The nature of cities is constant change. Meanwhile the activists ar…

I have never seen a high density city have low rents. Mumbai, Hong Kong, London, NYC. Is there any factual and proven example of a city that has increased density and housing became affordable and cheaper as a result of more units?

Singapore

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3dBaEo4QplQ

Re: San Francisco voters approve taxes on highly paid CEOs, big businesses

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

proc0 wrote: post #484
runarberg wrote: post #446

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Speaking as someone that lived in van in SF for 6 month before I left for immigration reasons: 1. I’m not from SF, I came there to live with my partner who was in school there but we couldn’t afford a place to rent. 2. I’ve never been homeless anywhere else and I wouldn’t have been homeless in SF if rent was fair. 3. I’ve never pan handled, but I didn’t need to. Dumpster diving is easy, there is plenty of free food o…

The housing options are there, just not the city option.

I have hired people in the farm who were getting homeless benefits. I have also hired juvenile girls who lived in a half way house as part of their rehabilitation.

The homeless worker ..one of them..had more benefits than the young girls. I wish I could have worked more with them. People need help. The right help at the right time for the right people is more effective than blanket free for alls.

He was living in his grandmother’s two million dollar Mountain View home and the first thing he asked me was if he could smoke his pot because granny wouldn’t approve...while the girls were huddled and chaperoned at all times.

I would pay more in social taxes if I could choose the programs and if there were more transparency as to where that extra money went.

Re: San Francisco voters approve taxes on highly paid CEOs, big businesses

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Post by runarberg »

jelliclesfarm wrote: post #480
runarberg wrote: post #472

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I downvoted this because as someone that has been what many consider homeless in San Francisco, I am a little insulted by this attitude. It comes across as someone that has never lived this life claiming that it is a good life and generalizing over the homeless population as freebies and criminals. If there exists a complicated social problem that involves thousands of human beings and someone on the internet claims…

I downvoted you because I am insulted by this attitude. As someone who comes from a country of starvation deaths, I can easily see how the homeless in SF would be considered the 1% of the world. If the milk of human kindness is all about spreading the wealth..how about spreading the wealth to other countries? Why should I pay for the homeless in SF when they live in the richest country in the world when I can send th…

I actually upvoted that because I glad you left this comment. It provides an essential perspective for the global distribution of wealth. USA is the richest and the most powerful nation in the world and it is a ridiculous power dynamic that has no justification. The USA cannot provide housing option for some of its population, but even worse, the USA consistently steals wealth from other nations leaving them impoverished just so they can provide cheap goods for their own citizens.

It is always good to get a reminder that for every USA resident the government leaves behind there are hundreds of impoverished non-USA citizen that still has to pay for it.

Re: San Francisco voters approve taxes on highly paid CEOs, big businesses

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Post by cs702 »

Barring federal help, it's possible, or even likely, that we will see greater taxation in many local jurisdictions (cities, counties, states) in coming months, because they are close to running out of cash as a result of the pandemic's impact on tax collections.

The Wall Street Journal recently published a good summary of the potential cash crisis at https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-states-face-biggest-cash-cr...

Quoting from the article:

"US States Face Biggest Cash Crisis Since the Great Depression: The drop in tax revenue has led to a total shortfall expected in the hundreds of billions of dollars—greater than 2019’s K-12 education budget for every state combined, or more than twice the amount spent that year on state roads and other transportation infrastructure."

Re: San Francisco voters approve taxes on highly paid CEOs, big businesses

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Post by runarberg »

Jommi wrote: post #491
runarberg wrote: post #446

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Speaking as someone that lived in van in SF for 6 month before I left for immigration reasons: 1. I’m not from SF, I came there to live with my partner who was in school there but we couldn’t afford a place to rent. 2. I’ve never been homeless anywhere else and I wouldn’t have been homeless in SF if rent was fair. 3. I’ve never pan handled, but I didn’t need to. Dumpster diving is easy, there is plenty of free food o…

Why did you feel the need to live in SF if you couldn't afford it?

I said it right there in the same sentence. My partner was in school there.

To provide a more detailed explanation. They were already renting a room when we met, and their landlord (who was them self subletting from another landlord because they couldn’t afford their own rent even though they have rent controlled price from the 80s) didn’t want us both living there.

My partner had a year left in school but they finished quickly because we didn’t want to push my immigration status.

Re: San Francisco voters approve taxes on highly paid CEOs, big businesses

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

runarberg wrote: post #482
hevelvarik wrote: post #476

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This is the best example of “speaking from experience” I’ve ever read. The question how representative are you of the general homeless population in SF. I would guess not much. Am I wrong?

No, you are not wrong. I am not at all representative of the general homeless population in SF. I doubt anyone is. The homeless is probably one of the most diverse of any classifiable group in San Francisco. People are homeless for numerous reasons, and I bet any similarity you find is only superficial. Note that I never considered my self homeless. My 1981 VW vanagon—which we named Sunny—was a plenty good home for m…

Do you realize that a tax paying citizen would have to pay a pretty hefty fee if they parked anywhere for an emergency?

Street parking everywhere because parking garages are being converted into affordable homes for people who can’t afford to live in one of the most expensive zip codes in the USA.

Homeless people who park their RVs and vans in public parks and open spaces are removing them from public consumption for those who paid taxes to maintain these spaces and commons.

Re: San Francisco voters approve taxes on highly paid CEOs, big businesses

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Post by elevenoh »

norswap wrote: post #428
mrits wrote: post #397

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You can purchase a 5K sqft lot outside of Austin for $2,200 and we still have a growing homeless problem. I'd look more into providing mental health, relocation, and incentives to stay off heavy drugs.

Surely that number is not right - probably lacking two digits?

Or that figure is the monthly mortgage payment heh
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