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I don't know why in today's day and age people switch to Python, the python version bumps is such a wreck. Pip and Pipenv are 10 years behind the eco system. so many other better langs out there that are more uniform.
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totally agree about sbt being gratuitously complex. i wonder if Java is judiciously choosing the non crazily digressive parts of Scala, as they both evolve.
That is what Goetz said is the plan for Java. Move slow, let other languages experiment with language features, and then take the best features and implement them better.
So far I’ve just seen a complex and wild stream API that mimics it in practice, without all the mental model behind it.
Oh, and what’s this nonsense with Java Option?! Really?
I was a total raving Python evangelist for the first 12 years of my coding career, and then got a job as the CTO for a Python based startup that had been running absent a technical leader for 5 years, with relatively junior coders making all the decisions. I still love Python, but I now have a completely different attitude to hyper-dynamic languages (like Python, Ruby, Clojure, Elixir, etc). In my new opinion, they a…
I was a Python dev for 14 years or so (now doing mostly personal projects in C/C++, Scheme, Clojure), and 10 years ago met my partner who is a biologist. I think one thing programmers underestimate is how many scientists and academics are using Python. It's not just ML, it's pretty much every kind of scientist and tons of non-science academics too. The fact that it's a great "casual" or part-time language is huge for…
Julia is on the radar but even in Julians’ wildest dreams Python remains relevant through PyCall. Why rewrite it if you can reuse it? (Obv I refer to boring-to-write non-performance-sensitive code here)
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I can't actually say what the popularity of C/C++ is. But I don't know what you do for a living but in general Hackernews tends to have webdev tunnel vision. Embedded, operating system development, browser development, OS, driver dev, games, telecoms, compilers, lots of IoT, systems development generally, all of this is in C/C++, and will be for the forseeable future. That is a lot of lines of code, but mostly invisi…
I do most of my work in C/C++. There's a ton of it in every microwave oven, washing machine, car, telephone, device driver, etc.
Now, if you strictly interpret the "C" in this popularity nonsense as "C", then sure. Pure ANSI C has a fairly restrictive use environment. But "C/C++" is a much much larger ecosystem.
Also get a laugh out of the people here calling C "simple". Ho boy.
We need to start ranking languages based on what people use them for. Python is certainly #1 in ML, for example, but far from #1 in web. I had a "which stack" argument with a client recently for a web server processing tons of data. He wanted to use Node (which I hate, but also use when performance doesn't matter because TypeScript is so good). I showed him that the Node library ecosystem is actually pretty weak (man…
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For years, IEEE has ranked the top 55 languages based on five use cases typical of IEEE members: overall, web, enterprise, mobile, and embedded, and ranked three ways: trending overall, in demand for jobs, and used by open source.
The 2020 results, ranked overall:
1 Python 100.0
2 Java 95.3
3 C 94.6
4 C++ 87.0
5 JavaScript 79.5
6 R 78.6
7 Arduino 73.2
8 Go 73.1
9 Swift 70.5
10 Matlab 68.4
11 Ruby 66.8
12 Dart 65.6
13 SQL 64.6
14 PHP 63.8
15 Assembly 63.7
16 Scala 63.5
17 HTML 61.4
18 Kotlin 57.8
19 Julia 56.0
20 Rust 55.6
21 Shell 52.0
22 Processing 49.2
23 C# 48.1
24 SAS 45.2
25 Fortran 43.0
26 Cuda 41.0
27 Visual Basic 40.3
28 Objective-C 38.9
29 Delphi 38.6
30 Perl 38.2
31 Verilog 37.6
32 VHDL 36.7
33 LabView 36.7
34 Elixir 35.8
35 F# 34.7
36 Prolog 34.6
37 Lua 34.4
38 Lisp 33.0
39 Ada 32.8
40 Apache Groovy 32.0
41 Scheme 31.4
42 Haskell 30.8
43 Cobol 30.4
44 Clojure 29.8
45 ABAP 29.5
46 D 27.7
47 Forth 23.7
48 Ocaml 23.7
49 TCL 22.1
50 LadderLogic 19.5
51 Erlang 18.3
52 Eiffel 16.5
53 CoffeeScript 15.9
54 J 14.3
55 Racket 0.0
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Everyone has different ideas about what matters; I care about continuity and stability. I cannot do a monthly dance of 'library blah is no longer maintained, please try library vlah which, by the way, is completely incompatible API wise!'. I need stuff that runs fine in a decade and where the maintainers respect backwards compatibility. I have not been let down by the past decades of JVM (and PHP but I never used man…
I think we may be speaking to the same goals. My worry about the JVM is that, culturally speaking, the community has been losing interest in the old stable stuff (Which I get, it all looks like 20 years ago.), and so the Java ecosystem seems to be eagerly headed in a more "move fast and break things" direction.
The declining interest in Java is offset by Kotlin, Scala, and Clojure.
We need to start ranking languages based on what people use them for. Python is certainly #1 in ML, for example, but far from #1 in web. I had a "which stack" argument with a client recently for a web server processing tons of data. He wanted to use Node (which I hate, but also use when performance doesn't matter because TypeScript is so good). I showed him that the Node library ecosystem is actually pretty weak (man…
What makes you so certain it is far from #1 in web? Django is massively popular as is flask.
Here are some stats that you could and should take with a grain of salt: https://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/programming_langua...
My anecdata also says neither Django nor Flask are very populate. I have yet to encounter either one already in use by a client. Rails is also rare. I think scrappy startup frameworks are a different population than what most devs (who work at big firms) use.
I was a total raving Python evangelist for the first 12 years of my coding career, and then got a job as the CTO for a Python based startup that had been running absent a technical leader for 5 years, with relatively junior coders making all the decisions. I still love Python, but I now have a completely different attitude to hyper-dynamic languages (like Python, Ruby, Clojure, Elixir, etc). In my new opinion, they a…
Actually, I find Nim language [1] to be a great alternative to C++ as far as compiled, statically typed, high performance modern languages are concerned. Moreover, Nim's meta-programming capabilities (generics, templates, macros) are second to none for creating elegant DSLs. And its syntax makes Python developers feel at home. Preempting questions about garbage collection -- Nim allows to switch off GC and manually manage memory if a programmer so desires. Or you can manually manage memory in some critical parts of your program while letting the rest be garbage collected.
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On the other hand the stackoverflow survey might show that C is so simple that programmers using it don't need stackoverflow :)
C is simple on the surface but it gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot that even after 6 years of using it I don't dare call it simple knowing my war scars.