Python overtakes Java to become the second-most popular programming language

Post by _a1_ » Thu, Nov 05, 2020, 5:19 PM UTC

smt88 wrote: post #2

We need to start ranking languages based on what people use them for. Python is certainly #1 in ML, for example, but far from #1 in web. I had a "which stack" argument with a client recently for a web server processing tons of data. He wanted to use Node (which I hate, but also use when performance doesn't matter because TypeScript is so good). I showed him that the Node library ecosystem is actually pretty weak (man…

Post by asdfman123 » Thu, Nov 05, 2020, 5:24 PM UTC

super_mario wrote: post #136

iainctduncan wrote: post #104

I was a total raving Python evangelist for the first 12 years of my coding career, and then got a job as the CTO for a Python based startup that had been running absent a technical leader for 5 years, with relatively junior coders making all the decisions. I still love Python, but I now have a completely different attitude to hyper-dynamic languages (like Python, Ruby, Clojure, Elixir, etc). In my new opinion, they a…

Absolutely agree with you. But with advent of microservices architecture patterns, it is possible to keep service code within bounds of maintainable size.

Post by import » Thu, Nov 05, 2020, 5:25 PM UTC

iainctduncan wrote: post #117

cashewchoo wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is my experience as well. Incidentally "this is a problem of people, not language" is one of my pet peeve statements (not that I'm mad at you, of course!) specifically because I've had it used against me enough to defend choosing, imo, bad tools. Everyone thinks they have developers that are good enough that they don't need the bumpers up when they bowl. But honestly, it's just almost never true (and if it is, i…

I actually do due diligence on tech firms now for a job, and you're 100% right that the tradeoffs change dramatically when the company grows. Which doesn't mean that using the best thing possible for your expert coders at the beginning is wrong. At the beginning, you need every advantage you can get, and if you have expert programmers, give them the sharpest knife you can find! But yeah, once your company is hiring h…

Post by the_af » Thu, Nov 05, 2020, 5:27 PM UTC

jasim wrote: post #168

iainctduncan wrote: post #104

I was a total raving Python evangelist for the first 12 years of my coding career, and then got a job as the CTO for a Python based startup that had been running absent a technical leader for 5 years, with relatively junior coders making all the decisions. I still love Python, but I now have a completely different attitude to hyper-dynamic languages (like Python, Ruby, Clojure, Elixir, etc). In my new opinion, they a…

But even static types (even the Hindley-Milner variety) won't be of much help in a team of juniors with no technical leadership. The codebase will end up in the same place - needing a rewrite - because even a good typing discipline cannot immediately substitute hard-won lessons in program design. In fact I never thought I'd say this - for the first two years of discovering sum types, I thought they were the silver bu…

Post by ratww » Thu, Nov 05, 2020, 5:28 PM UTC

odonnellryan wrote: post #160

iainctduncan wrote: post #104

I was a total raving Python evangelist for the first 12 years of my coding career, and then got a job as the CTO for a Python based startup that had been running absent a technical leader for 5 years, with relatively junior coders making all the decisions. I still love Python, but I now have a completely different attitude to hyper-dynamic languages (like Python, Ruby, Clojure, Elixir, etc). In my new opinion, they a…

I have seen plenty of C# projects with these same problems.