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Microsoft's quarterly profit drops below Apple's for the first time in 20 years

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Re: Microsoft's quarterly profit drops below Apple's for the first time in 20 years

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Microsoft spends a significant amount on basic research, like Bell labs used to and Microsoft research publishes a lot of publications. 15% of the research budget goes to universities for research, that could keep the profits lower than Apple.

> Microsoft spends a significant amount on basic research, like Bell labs used to and Microsoft research publishes a lot of publications.

I've always felt they spent so much on "research", in part, as a way to reduce their reported profits. Because Microsoft was notorious for mostly just copying what others did first (see Apple --- and yes I know about Xerox PARC), or acquiring/rebranding/integrating (Spyglass -> IE, etc.), and only a small percentage of so-called original/in-house stuff. When the original version of C# and .NET came out it was so hilariously obvious what they were ripping off at that time (cough-Java-cough), they didn't quite shave off all the boilerplate for those in the know. But They Capitalized Differently. Oooooh. ;)

On a related note, I once knew someone who officially worked in software R&D. And I noted they mostly spent a lot of time surfing the web and then parroting some sexy sounding thing they read about recently. Ironically (or not?) I think that's a not un-legitimate way, and certainly can be an effective way, to introduce new thinking inside a particular company, or introduce a new technology, like say as a pilot project. But to describe this process as requiring heavy spending (on software R&D mind you, not talking about hardware stuff) sounds ridiculous and an unnecessary money sink. Find a smart creative engineer. Take them off the leash. See where they go, what shiny nuggets they bring back. That's how you do practical software R&D, outside of academia. Doesn't require billions. Just brains, and it can be a side product of what your staff is already doing anyway -- if you have the right staff.

Re: Microsoft's quarterly profit drops below Apple's for the first time in 20 years

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Did you find the small team size a pleasant experience? Is it a case of many small teams adding up to a lot of people, or genuinely few small teams?

My experience was that it was genuinely small teams...and it was fun! It's one of the ways that Apple maintains a startup-like atmosphere despite being such a large company. Oh, and Apple remains a very flat company. I was 5 degrees removed from Steve Jobs, and I don't know anyone that was more than 8...including retail staff!

> Oh, and Apple remains a very flat company. I was 5 degrees removed from Steve Jobs, and I don't know anyone that was more than 8...including retail staff!

This sounds funny from my POV because I work mostly with startups now so I'm usually 0-1 levels away from the CEO. In the last 2 weeks alone I've ended up in F2F conversations with folks who I originally thought were some bizdev guy, perhaps a senior technical architecht, but no, turns out, that was the CEO. (... ", bitch." So yeah, this whole "flat company" with a mere 5-8 levels of hierarchy, makes me giggle. Back to my Terminal session, which this CEO considers his office. :)

(not criticising, just pointing out the humor of relative POV's)

Re: Microsoft's quarterly profit drops below Apple's for the first time in 20 years

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Or that most consumers don't have a choice in the matter (especially in regards to MS - I don't have a laptop running Windows & Office because I like Windows & Office).

That's the question, isn't it? If the user feels like they don't have a choice (and especially if it's because any potential choice has been intentionally squelched by the reigning monopolist), then it starts to seem dickish. There are plenty of alternative mobile platforms and thus it's rare to see people complain that they're forced into using an iPhone.

(raises hand) I complained about having to use an iPhone - mostly because of AT&T though. Thankfully, both Verizon moved in and I moved on from that job.

Re: Microsoft's quarterly profit drops below Apple's for the first time in 20 years

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For me, it's more interesting that Apple did this without a lot of the shady business & licensing practices that Microsoft engages in. Edit: Before downvoting me, take a look at my comment history. I'm not your typical Apple fan/Microsoft basher.

"a lot of the shady business & licensing practices that Microsoft engages in" Um... you are wrong. These companies are all suing each other, and Apple is known for creating patents for every little thing they do in iOS.

Apple has never done anything approaching what Microsoft did to Be and Hitachi

Re: Microsoft's quarterly profit drops below Apple's for the first time in 20 years

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What we need to focus here is this...despite the decrease in PC sales, Microsoft managed to grow. They did not just grow a little, but they grew tremendously. 30%? that's a huge number for a company like Microsoft. Nonetheless, Apple has reached another huge milestone in their history.

Their revenue grew 13% yoy and earnings include 5 cents one off tax benefit. Without that earnings still grew about 24% coming out of a recession. What caused Microsoft's share price to fall massively yesterday was that Windows revenues actually decreased, which is rather surprising.

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Do you think Apple's walled approach to iOS apps and content on iOS platforms is more honorable than Microsoft's open development initiative? (i.e. letting anyone write Windows applications). To me, their decision to prevent iOS apps from getting content outside of its walled garden (and bypass the 30% fee) is much more anti-competitive than whatever Microsoft did. I don't know if anyone downvoted you (I didn't). I j…

Definitely what Microsoft participated in has been much shadier. I'm not sure it can be reasonably argued otherwise. Everything from forcing hardware vendors to bundle their OS to forcing Internet Explorer installs to the infamous Halloween documents to their covert dealings with SCO & everyone else over Linux and patents. Surprisingly, it still seems pretty hard to get the hardware I want without paying for a Window…

... you can get apple hardware without paying for OSX?
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