Python overtakes Java to become the second-most popular programming language

Post by 0x445442 » Thu, Nov 05, 2020, 2:15 PM UTC

zusoomro wrote: post #17

smt88 wrote: post #2

We need to start ranking languages based on what people use them for. Python is certainly #1 in ML, for example, but far from #1 in web. I had a "which stack" argument with a client recently for a web server processing tons of data. He wanted to use Node (which I hate, but also use when performance doesn't matter because TypeScript is so good). I showed him that the Node library ecosystem is actually pretty weak (man…

Just curious, what other server side languages do you feel have a better library ecosystem than Node/JS?

Post by 0x445442 » Thu, Nov 05, 2020, 2:17 PM UTC

slashdev wrote: post #48

_lbaq wrote: post #3

Python is certainly popular, but the TIOBE Index ranking is not credible. Quote: "The ratings are based on the number of skilled engineers world-wide, courses and third party vendors. " According to this index, "Logo", beats out Rust, Scala, Kotlin, and Cobol. I cannot remind myself when I last time saw a course, book or even any source code covering Logo. This must be some very poorly vetted, automatically collected…

They rank C number 1. There is no way that reflects reality. JavaScript is easily number one for reasons that will surprise nobody. On the WakaTime public leaderboards it dominates to such an extent that I think programmers spend more time writing JavaScript than all the other languages combined. I don't know if that generalizes to the broader population, but it gives one an idea how ubiquitous it is.

Post by dilly_bar » Thu, Nov 05, 2020, 2:18 PM UTC

0-_-0 wrote: post #12

taffer wrote: post #6

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That C is supposed to be the most popular language makes the whole ranking questionable. The stackoverflow ranking[1] corresponds much more to my own experience in real life. [1] https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#most-popular-...

On the other hand the stackoverflow survey might show that C is so simple that programmers using it don't need stackoverflow :)

Post by imtringued » Thu, Nov 05, 2020, 2:22 PM UTC

Deukhoofd wrote: post #38

taffer wrote: post #6

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That C is supposed to be the most popular language makes the whole ranking questionable. The stackoverflow ranking[1] corresponds much more to my own experience in real life. [1] https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#most-popular-...

I'd argue that StackOverflow shows what developers have the most questions about. This means that ranking is influenced by the amount of experience people have in the programming field, and leads to languages people commonly use as their first languages showing higher. Besides that it's also influenced by how good the language is at explaining to the user what is going wrong. Clear error messages mean the user uses S…

Post by kzrdude » Thu, Nov 05, 2020, 2:24 PM UTC

ericvsmith wrote: post #54

noitpmeder wrote: post #45

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I love dataclasses, incredibly simple to use but so useful. My only gripe is no first-class support for "__slots__".

I have a decorator to add support for slots: https://github.com/ericvsmith/dataclasses/blob/master/datacl... (although I'll admit I haven't tested it in a while). The reason it's not an option by default is because it would be the one case where the decorator would have to return a new class, and I didn't want to do that on the first version. As it is, @dataclass just modifies an existing class. I might bite the bull…