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There was a clear winner on election night: Marijuana

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Re: There was a clear winner on election night: Marijuana

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I really wish there were also laws about not doing it in public spaces. I don't care if people do it in their own spaces, but when the smell wafts out onto the sidewalk, it makes me nauseous.

I used to smell it all the time in my city, now I rarely do - at least here I think most people have switched to vaping which doesn't stink as much

Re: There was a clear winner on election night: Marijuana

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I think it would make a fascinating poli sci case study about why almost all cannabis legalization came from popular referendum instead of legislation. What is it about cannabis that makes it so much more amenable to direct democracy compared to representative democracy. Polls show that overwhelming majorities in most states support legalization. Yet elected representative have been extremely reticent to move policy…

Fascinating indeed, especially considering that legalizing MJ nationwide would easily add a few percentage points to their ratings, and they don't even have to do anything - just get it de-scheduled and strike out the statutes criminalizing it. If you want to do it right, let out all people who are in jail for possession too. I can't think of any legislative measure that would get more popular support. I'm not a user myself, but I have tried it (after voting for legalization in my state), and it's ridiculous that it was illegal in the first place.

Re: There was a clear winner on election night: Marijuana

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It turns out alcoholic beverage companies and big pharma have deep pockets. Whoops, forgot the link as an example. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/13/one-s...

And I think it's important to fight to make sure we don't get similarly entrenched weed cartels. We now have a new fight - against market consolidation of the weed producers.

How do regular people like us fight oligopological market consolidation of commodity goods vendors?

Re: There was a clear winner on election night: Marijuana

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I think it's pretty simple -- politicians think it's going to happen, but don't want to be personally linked to it because it can hurt their popularity with certain segments of voters they rely on. Nobody wants to claim credit for it. So they put it up for referendum instead, so it happens but it doesn't harm anyone's careers. It's not at all any kind of vindication of direct democracy. Rather, because it's broadly p…

That doesn’t seem like a satisfying explanation. Why then do legislators routinely support other legislation that is similarly or even less popular than marijuana legalization?

At least until recently, there was no money backing it. Support for unpopular policies is presumably backed by rich corporations, right? I'm thinking relaxing environmental regulations and war as two examples that come immediately to mind.

Re: There was a clear winner on election night: Marijuana

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And I think it's important to fight to make sure we don't get similarly entrenched weed cartels. We now have a new fight - against market consolidation of the weed producers.

How do regular people like us fight oligopological market consolidation of commodity goods vendors?

Make sure to lobby to grow your own.

Re: There was a clear winner on election night: Marijuana

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Sadly being pro-legalization loses you older voters that were exposed to a lot more propaganda during the war on drugs - legalization is inevitable as we age out of those voters but it still is a semi-risky political stance. Bear in mind that John Boehner (yea that one) is now hawking legal marijuana himself after years of publicly opposing it.

I don’t think that’s as true anymore. Someone who was 18 in the Summer of Love (1967) is 71 today.

The people who took part in the Summer of Love were a minority of the population of 18 year olds at the time from what I understand. Around 100,000 according to Wikipedia[0]

That's not to say that drug experimentation wasn't more widespread than that group: I know my father experimented because he's told me. However he has become pretty conservative as he's gotten older. Or at least supports conservative American politicians and voted for Trump probably both times.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_of_Love

Re: There was a clear winner on election night: Marijuana

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I think it would make a fascinating poli sci case study about why almost all cannabis legalization came from popular referendum instead of legislation. What is it about cannabis that makes it so much more amenable to direct democracy compared to representative democracy. Polls show that overwhelming majorities in most states support legalization. Yet elected representative have been extremely reticent to move policy…

It's a side-effect of our gerontocracy. Even moderate political candidates under 40 support it. Younger conservatives will even get behind decriminalizing it. Problem is seasoned leadership (who skew older) don't want to touch it with a 10-foot pole.

Re: There was a clear winner on election night: Marijuana

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I really wish there were also laws about not doing it in public spaces. I don't care if people do it in their own spaces, but when the smell wafts out onto the sidewalk, it makes me nauseous.

Smoking cigarettes, smoking pot, smoking anything should result in a fine in any public space. Do what you want to do to your body in your private space, but don't expect me to participate in your activity.

Re: There was a clear winner on election night: Marijuana

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I think it would make a fascinating poli sci case study about why almost all cannabis legalization came from popular referendum instead of legislation. What is it about cannabis that makes it so much more amenable to direct democracy compared to representative democracy. Polls show that overwhelming majorities in most states support legalization. Yet elected representative have been extremely reticent to move policy…

Right to repair in Mass was also popular vote and won in a landslide. Republic democracies are no longer representative of the people. Instead of the blue and red football team we should get direct ballot votes.

Re: There was a clear winner on election night: Marijuana

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At least it isn't hazardous like cigarette smoke. I really wish cigarettes were completely banned in public spaces. If you want to destroy your own lungs on your own property, fine. But I shouldn't have to breath it in.

Personally I find marijuana smoke way more irritating than cigarette smoke, at least second hand outside. Maybe I'm reading too much in to your comment, but with cigarette smoking there is a lot of the "if you want to destroy your lungs" attitude that I hypothesize stems from the puritain "if you want to prioritize enjoying something over long term health, I'll be especially harsh towards you". I 100% understand the…

>But judging the "destroying your lungs" aspect is nobody's business but the person doing it.

There's a limit to how far this principle goes. If you saw someone trying to saw something out of their arm, would you think "whatever, it's their arm," or "this person is having a psychotic break and desperately needs medical attention, including restraint?" A lot of people would extend that to most forms of irrational self-harm. I don't want anyone to extend it to anything I do, though, so applying the principle of liberty even when it involves letting people destroy themselves for no reason, still seems attractive.

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