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There was a clear winner on election night: Marijuana

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Re: There was a clear winner on election night: Marijuana

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Weed is fine and all, but let's not overlook the other decisive victory, for right to repair!

It's realy weird to see healthy direct-democratic decisions on a state level right along a national election where voters are compelled to choose the "less bad" of two candidates unfit for office.

Re: There was a clear winner on election night: Marijuana

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I think it would make a fascinating poli sci case study about why almost all cannabis legalization came from popular referendum instead of legislation. What is it about cannabis that makes it so much more amenable to direct democracy compared to representative democracy. Polls show that overwhelming majorities in most states support legalization. Yet elected representative have been extremely reticent to move policy…

I think being pro legalization doesn't win many votes, but being anti legalization could cost votes. It's an easy attack ad to make. One of the worst things about politics seems to be that the substance of the attack doesn't really matter, just the fact that it exists.

With popular votes on the topic, everyone wins: people get what they want, and no legislator needs to grow the courage to stand up for it.

Re: There was a clear winner on election night: Marijuana

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post #7

I think it would make a fascinating poli sci case study about why almost all cannabis legalization came from popular referendum instead of legislation. What is it about cannabis that makes it so much more amenable to direct democracy compared to representative democracy. Polls show that overwhelming majorities in most states support legalization. Yet elected representative have been extremely reticent to move policy…

> What is it about cannabis that makes it so much more amenable to direct democracy compared to popular democracy. Polls show that overwhelming majorities in most states support legalization. Yet elected representative have been extremely reticent to move policy in that direction. Two thirds of Americans support legalization, yet neither of the major party candidates for president do.

It's counter to "tough on crime" messaging, and for both parties, a lot of your reliable voters love "tough on crime" candidates.

Campaign contributions from groups interested in the status quo (law enforcement unions, private prison groups, pharmaceutical/tobacco/alcohol companies) also have an interest in funding the "No" campaign.

Re: There was a clear winner on election night: Marijuana

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Drug prohibition benefits established power structures. It's the same reason why neither major party wants to enact universal healthcare, despite being generally acknowledged as more efficient in terms of care for the cost.

Does this mean states could enact universal healthcare from referendum, or are they barred from incurring tax raising consequences?

They absolutely can enact universal healthcare, and some have tried in the past. Vermont famously(?) did this with Green Mountain Care - the problem is that when it comes to healthcare you end up needing to pay the same outrageous market prices for healthcare that insurance drives but without any of the wink and nod discounts that HCPs and Payers exchange to keep things moving - along with a lot of market players working actively to extort as much money as possible from your system.

Universal healthcare is difficult due to the inability to actually nationalize health care providers without having your state's system overburdened by everyone from neighboring states which you're quite limited in restricting due to federal interstate commerce requirements. Also the federal government would probably come down hard on you.

Re: There was a clear winner on election night: Marijuana

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post #7

I think it would make a fascinating poli sci case study about why almost all cannabis legalization came from popular referendum instead of legislation. What is it about cannabis that makes it so much more amenable to direct democracy compared to representative democracy. Polls show that overwhelming majorities in most states support legalization. Yet elected representative have been extremely reticent to move policy…

Because representatives don't represent the people that want to legalize it. Or the Governor's don't.

Re: There was a clear winner on election night: Marijuana

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I really wish there were also laws about not doing it in public spaces. I don't care if people do it in their own spaces, but when the smell wafts out onto the sidewalk, it makes me nauseous.

I agree with you that it is very obnoxious and super rude to be doing in an area close to other non-consenting people. I also think that a law about where you could smoke would inevitably be abused and not serve anyone: for example, is it really a police matter that you can smell your neighbors smoking weed, or that someone is doing it to near you in a park. I think we need to get away from this tattle tail mentality…

Personally I would very much be in favor of banning public smoking, especially if such a law extended to tobacco as well.

Re: There was a clear winner on election night: Marijuana

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Drug prohibition benefits established power structures. It's the same reason why neither major party wants to enact universal healthcare, despite being generally acknowledged as more efficient in terms of care for the cost.

Does this mean states could enact universal healthcare from referendum, or are they barred from incurring tax raising consequences?

Some have at least moved incrementally in that direction by referendum. Maine, Missouri, and Oklahoma voters opted in by ballot initiative to ACA's Medicaid expansion, after their respective state governments had decided not to expand Medicaid. That's admittedly easier than designing an entirely state-level system.

Re: There was a clear winner on election night: Marijuana

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I think it would make a fascinating poli sci case study about why almost all cannabis legalization came from popular referendum instead of legislation. What is it about cannabis that makes it so much more amenable to direct democracy compared to representative democracy. Polls show that overwhelming majorities in most states support legalization. Yet elected representative have been extremely reticent to move policy…

Oh, the war on drugs was way too useful for politicians to give it up themselves. A classic case of "Just give me more powers so I can protect you and your loved ones from this horrible danger you can’t possibly protect yourself against".

It had to come from the people. Hollywood helped too, making weed smoking seem familiar, funny and harmless way before it was legal.

Re: There was a clear winner on election night: Marijuana

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At least it isn't hazardous like cigarette smoke. I really wish cigarettes were completely banned in public spaces. If you want to destroy your own lungs on your own property, fine. But I shouldn't have to breath it in.

Smoke is bad for you period. The chemicals and nicotine content is irrelevant.

If you smoke as much weed as a chain smoker does cigarettes you're going to be really high.

Generally speaking "weed usage" introduces far fewer carcinogens compared to "cigarette usage" - but lots of things are bad for you including alcohol and, especially, sugar.

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