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Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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Re: Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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Everyone? What about cotton, linen, hemp?

Fwiw, cotton crops are incredibly water intensive. Probably a better solution than factory farming animals or releasing more plastics into the environment, but it's not perfect either.

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Re: Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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This question is easy for me — hog farming is, overall, a greater harm because we are talking about more pigs and more horrendous conditions. Both are morally impermissible, in my opinion, which is why I keep to a vegan diet and don’t wear fur. Putting aside the harms to animals for a moment, we might consider both mink farms and hog farms to be part of a larger problem, which is monoculture agriculture. Minks weren’…

Barely anyone cares about fur products, but people are too stuburn to stop general meat consumption - even if not totally - not matter the cost. Eating more vegan meals is probably the best personal action one can make for the environment. Most other significant actions can only be made on a corporate level.

If anything, I would say fur gets a disproportionately high amount of attention from animal rights activists, relative to the total number of animals affected. According to Animal Charity Evaluators, an effective altruism group that focuses on animal welfare [0]:

> Of domesticated land animals used and killed by humans in the United States, over 99.6% are farmed land animals, about 0.2% are animals used in laboratories, 0.07% are used for clothing, and 0.03% are killed in companion animal shelters.

I am assuming they are grouping animals farmed for fur in the ‘raised for clothing’ category.

[0] https://animalcharityevaluators.org/donation-advice/why-farm...

Re: Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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I wish more people would give plant based "meat" a try. Some of the sausages and burgers available are mind blowing.

If I want meat I will eat meat. Plants aren't meat. If you want people to eat plants then promote some vegan dishes that are good on their own without relying on comparisons to something else. "It tastes like meat" is not a compelling pitch. Bacon isn't advertised as "better than plants" or "tastes like plants". It doesn't need to. BMW doesn't run commercials during NFL games where members of the public think their c…

“It tastes like meat” is a good argument when combined with “it’s cheaper than meat.” It falls flat when it’s more expensive than meat.

Re: Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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Does this mutated coronavirus from minks transfer human->human? Any guesses yet on whether the vaccines in development would respond to this virus as well? Does the rest of the world need to immediately cut travel to Europe? Would rather stop travel and wish we didn't than allow travel and wish we stopped it... We literally just had a real life trial for how we deal with new pandemics in January... have we learned ou…

The mutated cornavirus shows reduced responsiveness to antibodies thus a threat to current vacines in pipeline. Yes, it transfer Human-> Human. Hence the drastic measures to contain and eliminate the variant.

Re: Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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Because everyone wearing plastic fabrics is somehow better?

Environmentally plastic is definitely worse, but the quantity of plastic used is tiny compared to the rest of the oil industry. The moral benefit comes from not farming animals to only use their fur. It's cruel and wasteful, and we have synthetic fur that's actually better than the real thing for warmth. The reason real fur is still used is because it's cheaper, which should tell you a lot about the conditions the an…

I disagree, I would guess plastic has less overall cost to the environment. Think of the land and energy used raising food for the minks.

Since neither of us are giving an empirical analysis, it's just one opinion vs another.

Re: Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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I can't prove that a sufficiently impaired mentally disabled human can reason, think, or have values. But I suppose if I wanted to raise thousands of mentally disabled humans in cages for the purpose of skinning them and selling their hides I would probably justify it to myself by asserting my inherent superiority based on their potential inability to replicate certain biological processes in the fatty organ within t…

Humans are animals, there really isn't any difference with the handicap you've used in your example. What is morally right, what is ethically right, what is legal, what is against the law, what is allowable, what is doable - Is all social construct.

That was my point. Humans celebrate themselves for possessing the ability to reason, think, or have values. But judging other species by this standard is a preposterous notion. Just as a dolphin judging humans inferior for our limited ability to catch fish in our mouths via echolocation.

But if one can't judge species according to their own natural abilities we can still judge them according to their interactions with other species. This is where humans, come out looking poor. Mink do not negatively impact humans, and would have essentially no interaction with humans, but humans willfully imprison and brutalize millions of mink for frivolous pleasures.

Re: Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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This article may be unnecessarily alarmist: https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/13240857614493040...

Is it alarmist? The article is mostly covering the action of the Danish government, which has decided to cull all the minks. The action may be alarmist but that's another story.

To me, the important part of the article is that this strain may have rendered the vaccines useless, thus delaying immunisation of humans. If it says that, and that is not true, then it is alarmist, no?

Re: Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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Everyone? What about cotton, linen, hemp?

Fwiw, cotton crops are incredibly water intensive. Probably a better solution than factory farming animals or releasing more plastics into the environment, but it's not perfect either.

I hear hemp is pretty good on all counts, though.

But definitely buy less clothes, take better care of them, and make sure to give/sell the good ones you have but don't wear to second hand shops instead of just throwing them away.

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