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RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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I hope something replaces reddit soon. The creeping features are beginning to rot.

Completely off topic but there's no way to get to r/friends from the mobile app. It's pathetic.

There are third party apps that allow you to that, and many other things.

I am aware of two open source ones: RedReader and Slide (both Android).

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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> Then again... who remembers Digg? I do. It was pretty good, then they destroyed it, de facto paving the way for Reddit's success.

I hope something replaces reddit soon. The creeping features are beginning to rot.

Once Reddit finishes its transformation into an meme image and video board, the current incarnation of its platform will go the way of forums and newsgroups.

Over time, Facebook groups and Twitter have become the de facto discussion hubs for communities that I've been a part of for years. Those platforms make it hard to not reveal your true identity online, and you have to give Facebook and Twitter your phone number just to register. Facebook will even ask users to verify their identities with their driver's licenses. At least for me, this causes a chilling effect on my online participation in these communities.

For example, I won't talk about politics in my neighborhood's Facebook group because I don't want to be harassed. I recently witnessed a single mother get harassed because she respectfully disagreed with someone's politics in the group. People started posting pictures of her kids, putting them into crude memes, and the mayor went through public records to find her full name and address.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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A potential employer doing that will open themselves up to some serious legal problems. "Oh, you committed code to a repo I consider dubious though nothing proven... hmmm not sure I'll hire you". "Oh, you shop at a store run by a non-white person.... hmmm not sure I'll hire you". "Oh, you follow a religion, but I'm atheist... hmmm not sure I'll hire you". ... the list goes on.

Show where in the list of protected classes (race, sex, ethnicity, etc) "your choice of programming projects" is covered? Two of those are protected classes... the third one isn't.

Show on the list where youtube-dl has been proven illegal.

Implying criminality because you're participating on something "of dubious legality" defined nebulously ("guilt by association") wouldn't play well.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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I don't think you're joking, but I think you're making pretty terrible assumptions. A party large enough is effectively a broadcast/performance. It's not as cut and dried and greed-filled as all that. For large acts and musical pieces that have moved into the larger cultural milieu, sure—there's a discussion to be had about the place of the work in that society. (And then maybe the society as a whole should compensat…

IP protection laws are completely overgrown though, in the way a bacteria out of balance harms it's host, or a plague of locusts destroys the environment. 10 years, not a second more! For all IP .. no exceptions.

Lifetime wasn't the discussion at hand, though. The topic was the validity of protections at all.

People have a lingering hatred on for the RIAA, and maybe rightfully so, from the Napster trials and so on from the early 2000's and I think they let it blind them to the history of music and creators' rights in North America.

The assumption that musicians are all a bunch of greedy sods making it filthy rich, undeservingly, is pretty awful. The reality is they get robbed often.

(And people get all hot under the collar when it comes to licensing of performances and broadcasts because they want to rant about the RIAA, but that's not really their wheelhouse—that's more the domain of organizations like SOCAN, ASCAP, BMI, etc, and they do a lot for artists).

But who am I kidding. It's 2020. Everywhere I look, people want their music, films, and journalism for free while they proceed to whip the creators for whatever faults they find with the creation or research...

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Of course Microsoft (the company behind Github) will not give up respecting DMCA and copyright infringement. The question rather is: how much will developers continue to respect Microsoft?

You’re asking people to not respect Microsoft because they’re doing something they’re legally mandated to do. If Microsoft takes the route many have argued for here (namely, reject the DMCA request as it’s invalid) and the DMCA request ends up being found valid in the courts, Microsoft loses their DMCA safe harbor protections and open themselves up to multi-million dollar lawsuits. Sure, if they’re right, then they’r…

The safe harbor under Section 512 applies to takedown requests for content copyrighted by the person issuing the notice. I don't think there is anybody asserting that the RIAA is the author of youtube-dl and thereby eligible to make a claim under that section.

I would also be curious to see you cite a case that says that refusing a takedown notice in one case costs anyone the Section 512 safe harbor in all other cases where they continue to execute takedown notices, since that would be oppressive and ridiculous.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Show where in the list of protected classes (race, sex, ethnicity, etc) "your choice of programming projects" is covered? Two of those are protected classes... the third one isn't.

Show on the list where youtube-dl has been proven illegal. Implying criminality because you're participating on something "of dubious legality" defined nebulously ("guilt by association") wouldn't play well.

As per the post you are replying to, choice of programming project is, unlike race and religion, not a protected class. It is perfectly legal in the US for a company to discriminate based on it.

A company could also freely and legally discriminate based on whether or not you prefer whole-wheat bread. That's not a protected class. It doesn't matter that whole-wheat bread is legal.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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You’re asking people to not respect Microsoft because they’re doing something they’re legally mandated to do. If Microsoft takes the route many have argued for here (namely, reject the DMCA request as it’s invalid) and the DMCA request ends up being found valid in the courts, Microsoft loses their DMCA safe harbor protections and open themselves up to multi-million dollar lawsuits. Sure, if they’re right, then they’r…

The safe harbor under Section 512 applies to takedown requests for content copyrighted by the person issuing the notice. I don't think there is anybody asserting that the RIAA is the author of youtube-dl and thereby eligible to make a claim under that section. I would also be curious to see you cite a case that says that refusing a takedown notice in one case costs anyone the Section 512 safe harbor in all other case…

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Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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If only we had some form of decentralized source code management.

The problem is that git is not feature complete to replace github. In hindsight I wish it had gone the Fossil route: integrate issue management in the distributed repo. If issues, wiki and code review were integrated in git proper it would be trivial to change host on a dime. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way (yet?).

Pagure is a git forge you can self host (or use the hosted instance) that stores all project metadata (issues, wiki, etc.) in git, not just the project source code: https://pagure.io/pagure

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Making developers afraid to work on youtube-dl is a much more powerful move than taking down a few songs that were already available for free on YouTube.

I don't think this inspired fear in any relevant developers. If anything there are probably more developers willing to work on it now.

It also brought tons of attention to youtube-dl itself, which is still widely available and will remain so for basically ever

(apologies for rewording the Striesand Effect but it is very real).

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