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Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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Re: Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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Post by salawat »

autosharp wrote: post #77
mainstreem wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Increasing the cost of food is anti-poor. Increasing the cost of luxury fabric, not so much. Until poverty and hunger are eliminated worldwide, it's going to be hard to make me care more about how animals are farmed in order that the most possible people can afford enough to eat. It's easy to not care about people not getting mink coats. Much harder to care about people having food taken out of their mouths by people…

It is funny that you mention human need for food. Hog is actually an inefficient food production method because they need to be fed more corn/soy etc than the food they produce. If your goal was to make food more accessible to the poor then one way to go would be to stop this inefficient food production method and just consume the corn/soy protein directly. That would be healthier also. Consuming corn/soy directly wo…

Consuming excessive amounts of corn is associated with other issues, up to and including cannibalism, mind.

https://phys.org/news/2017-01-corn-french-hamsters-deranged-...

Do not discount the value add of multiple digestive and organ systems worth of energy work, even if the numbers otherwise seem unintuitive the entire planet is interrelated in ways we have not even scratched the surface of.

Re: Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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Post by mrweasel »

zepearl wrote: post #63
mikkelam wrote: post #14

As a dane I'm not really proud that these things were here to being with

Dammit, and since years I was thinking that anything related to fur was a closed chapter, at least in Europe. This is horrible and absolutely superfluous, used to produce luxury goods :(

While I don’t really care one way or the other about the mink farms, it should come as no surprise that the main marked for the mink furs is China. For a supposed communist country they sure do like superflous luxury goods and have little regards for how they are made.

Re: Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

mrweasel wrote: post #132
zepearl wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dammit, and since years I was thinking that anything related to fur was a closed chapter, at least in Europe. This is horrible and absolutely superfluous, used to produce luxury goods :(

While I don’t really care one way or the other about the mink farms, it should come as no surprise that the main marked for the mink furs is China. For a supposed communist country they sure do like superflous luxury goods and have little regards for how they are made.

Its good to keep it in perspective. There are billions of people in China. If only a tenth of a percent enjoys luxury goods, that's millions of people.

Re: Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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Post by uhtred »

toper-centage wrote: post #128
setgree wrote: post #112

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This question is easy for me — hog farming is, overall, a greater harm because we are talking about more pigs and more horrendous conditions. Both are morally impermissible, in my opinion, which is why I keep to a vegan diet and don’t wear fur. Putting aside the harms to animals for a moment, we might consider both mink farms and hog farms to be part of a larger problem, which is monoculture agriculture. Minks weren’…

Barely anyone cares about fur products, but people are too stuburn to stop general meat consumption - even if not totally - not matter the cost. Eating more vegan meals is probably the best personal action one can make for the environment. Most other significant actions can only be made on a corporate level.

I wish more people would give plant based "meat" a try. Some of the sausages and burgers available are mind blowing.

Re: Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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Post by loa_in_ »

uhtred wrote: post #134
toper-centage wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Barely anyone cares about fur products, but people are too stuburn to stop general meat consumption - even if not totally - not matter the cost. Eating more vegan meals is probably the best personal action one can make for the environment. Most other significant actions can only be made on a corporate level.

I wish more people would give plant based "meat" a try. Some of the sausages and burgers available are mind blowing.

If I don't eat meat for the taste (which is a gross notion to me) but for the nutritional value does plant based substitute provide at least comparable nutrition? Does it have the aminoacids I would get from meat?

Re: Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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Post by erk__ »

szopa wrote: post #120

This article may be unnecessarily alarmist: https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/13240857614493040...

I would wait until the Danish health authorities actually publicate their findings. This is not a statement made by pseudo-scientists. While I don't know his credentials I don't see why I should trust him more than Statens Serum Institut. So I guess the question is if Denmark is alarmist or if this person is the opposite.

Re: Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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Post by aaron695 »

koala_man wrote: post #20

Norway's Fur Farming Prohibition Act is set to take effect in 2025. May this neighboring scare hasten the demise of this abusive and unnecessary industry.

Is it to much to ask to talk about the actual article?

This article has nothing to do about minks and animal abuse.

This is a pandemic on track to kill 10's of millions of people.

Minks and farming is topic talked about constantly around the world for many decades. Attractive models made it cool, we get it. Plenty of article are posted on HN about animal rights.

No farmed animals social distance, so how intensive it is is irreverent. In fact because it's intensive an outbreak is immediately known, which is good. There is no segue here. How can we talk about things at an educated level when everything gets demoted back to the base.

Re: Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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Post by autosharp »

salawat wrote: post #130
autosharp wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is funny that you mention human need for food. Hog is actually an inefficient food production method because they need to be fed more corn/soy etc than the food they produce. If your goal was to make food more accessible to the poor then one way to go would be to stop this inefficient food production method and just consume the corn/soy protein directly. That would be healthier also. Consuming corn/soy directly wo…

Consuming excessive amounts of corn is associated with other issues, up to and including cannibalism, mind. https://phys.org/news/2017-01-corn-french-hamsters-deranged-... Do not discount the value add of multiple digestive and organ systems worth of energy work, even if the numbers otherwise look attractive. The entire planet is interrelated.

From the article:

"A diet of corn is turning wild hamsters in northeastern France into deranged cannibals that devour their offspring, alarmed researchers have reported."

Are you saying I might be a wild hamster from northeastern France? And I should not just be eating corn?

Re: Denmark to cull millions of minks over mutated coronavirus

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Post by user5994461 »

ornornor wrote: post #100
j_4 wrote: post #78

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A single hog being killed for 150000 kcal of sustenance is a lot more morally acceptable than 50 minks being killed for a single luxury coat. It's not cognitive dissonance to think this. (numbers from quick, non-exhaustive googling)

I don’t agree. Pigs are on the same cognitive level as dogs. Would it be morally acceptable to kill and eat a (big) dog for its 150000 calories after raising in terrible conditions for a few years?

For reference, a pig is 3-10 dogs, more if you're talking about the smallest dogs.
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