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RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by R0b0t1 »

kmeisthax wrote: post #105
R0b0t1 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Github's failure is one of principles. That the youtube-dl repository is actually a violation is tenuous at best. Should they actually care about the state of things they would have resisted, but they did not.

No, GitHub did everything "right", or at least as right as the law allows. DMCA 1201 is really just that overbroad, and if GitHub hadn't complied with the takedown anyone involved with that decision would literally be put in jail. Unlike normal copyright infringement (which is usually just a shitton of money damages) messing with DRM is a felony, punishable by up to five years in jail. Unless you literally want Micro…

Again, no: Github could assert the law is invalid in this context and/or there is no way that youtube-dl can be DMCA'd. It takes principles to do this, and apparently they have none.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by wolfgke »

kmeisthax wrote: post #103
wolfgke wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If developers are afraid, they will be tempted to program a solution for censorship-resistant hosting of open source software that additionally allows to contribute anonymously (not just pseudonymously).

Wait, that's just Git with extra steps

> Wait, that's just Git with extra steps

But the extra steps are not completely trivial to do right if strong anonymity has to be ensured.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

rch wrote: post #101

I'd rather see a curated database of content that isn't covered by any enforcement arm of the recording industry, so I can compensate those musicians directly.

What benefit would that make? I heard mostly good things about the studios from artist's perspective. They might be forced to lie though in public. You can buy the songs from itunes and artist will receive most of the money.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by pankajdoharey »

qwerty456127 wrote: post #29

> This request wasn't well-received by developers, many of whom retaliated by posting copies of the code. Yesterday, things went from bad to worse when a user with the name 'F * T RIAA' uploaded three MP3s of the songs the RIAA mentioned in its takedown notice RIAA couldn't care less. As far as I understand, they practically are just a team of lawyers whose job is to attack whoever they can reach, take whatever they…

Can someone explain what is so hard here to go ahead and host your own Git repository? I mean how hard is it to run git instaweb --httpd=webrick

Also there are tons of options GNU Savannah, Gogs,Gitea , Git Bucket ...

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

Animats wrote: post #100

This makes it necessary to sync another service with Github for software projects. Once Github, now a unit of Microsoft, gets takedowns going, legit software projects will be taken down through random errors. Systems which rely on Github in production, such as Rust's "cargo", now need to be using multiple sources and checking hashes.

Even without that package manager relying on Github sounds plain stupid to me. What if Github decides to rate limit, gets banned in country(it got banned in India once) or lot of other things that could happen at Microsoft's whims.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #78

I'm not sure I'd call this "backfiring," as I'm sure that the RIAA must have seen this coming (they have been the Snidely Whiplash of the tech industry for a couple of decades). This kind of reaction is not exactly anything new; just the medium. I think that pirating streams actually helps to sell music. At least, in my limited sample pool, that has been the case. I used to stream an Internet radio station that playe…

> I think that pirating streams actually helps to sell music. At least, in my limited sample pool, that has been the case.

So you say that users pirate the music and then buy the same music they illegally downloaded?

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by wolfgke »

skyde wrote: post #102
wolfgke wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If developers are afraid, they will be tempted to program a solution for censorship-resistant hosting of open source software that additionally allows to contribute anonymously (not just pseudonymously).

the problem is lot of the incentive to contribute for free is the name recognition. Lot of dev see it as a way to show what they can do (portfolio) because that can’t share the code they produce at work

Is is good for name recognition if you contribute to software of somewhat dubious legal status such as youtube-dl?

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by the5avage »

raxxorrax wrote: post #25
KingOfCoders wrote: post #8

Which will lead to GitHub adding content filters which will lead to false flags and rejected commits which will lead to algorithms wrongly flagging existing content in your repo which will lead to a byzantine appeal processes which ... ... no wait, that was my Youtube channel.

Companies actually lobby the EU, I guess the same is true for the US, to allow "forward scanning". Meaning they would like to proactively try to purge the net of illegal content. Mozilla is part of this alliance. I am going to leave Github, since the tech giants + Mozilla should not be trusted. https://edima-eu.org/

Thanks for sharing this. Didn't know and i live in EU. It's so disgusting i actually have a sore tummy after visiting the site. I really detest the obnoxious marketing speak like: "We support policy initiatives that are pro-consumer and that promote innovation and growth towards a Digital Single Market for Europe."

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #117
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #78

I'm not sure I'd call this "backfiring," as I'm sure that the RIAA must have seen this coming (they have been the Snidely Whiplash of the tech industry for a couple of decades). This kind of reaction is not exactly anything new; just the medium. I think that pirating streams actually helps to sell music. At least, in my limited sample pool, that has been the case. I used to stream an Internet radio station that playe…

> I think that pirating streams actually helps to sell music. At least, in my limited sample pool, that has been the case. So you say that users pirate the music and then buy the same music they illegally downloaded?

In my case, yes, but I haven't done that in quite a while (YouTube became a good place to sample music).
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