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Uber and Lyft expected to prevail in CA ballot measure

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Re: Uber and Lyft expected to prevail in CA ballot measure

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Post by MattGaiser »

slg wrote: post #4

We just learned that it takes only $200m to buy a law in the state of California. The state legislature said these workers are employees. The state judicial system said these workers are employees. These companies wouldn't accept that as an answer so they turned to funding the most expensive proposition battle in history with 90% coming down on the one side. This is also in addition to all sorts of free marketing the…

Why should the state legislature get to override a referendum? I am not really fans of them for decision making, but I don't see why it is less valid than electing representatives and having them vote on it.

Re: Uber and Lyft expected to prevail in CA ballot measure

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Post by eindiran »

slg wrote: post #7
sguo35 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious, would you apply the same logic to the other propositions that received massively disproportionate funding on one side (e.g. Prop 16) but still are failing? Perhaps the voters of California don't 100% share the views of the people elected to represent them. That is the disadvantage of first-past-the-post democracy.

From ballotpedia[1][2]: Support Prop 16 - $20m Oppose Prop 16 - $1m Support Prop 22 - $202m Oppose Prop 22 - $20m We are talking about a $19m difference verses $182m. These are in no way similar campaigns. [1] - https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_16,_Repeal_Pr... [2] - https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_22,_App-Based...

From another angle: the Support Prop 16 people spent 20x their opposition, while the Support Prop 22 people only spent 10x their opposition.

Re: Uber and Lyft expected to prevail in CA ballot measure

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Post by schoolornot »

slg wrote: post #4

We just learned that it takes only $200m to buy a law in the state of California. The state legislature said these workers are employees. The state judicial system said these workers are employees. These companies wouldn't accept that as an answer so they turned to funding the most expensive proposition battle in history with 90% coming down on the one side. This is also in addition to all sorts of free marketing the…

There's nothing wrong with this. What's a more American way to clarify a disagreement than to put the topic on a ballot and let the voters decide?

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Post by hoorayimhelping »

slg wrote: post #4

We just learned that it takes only $200m to buy a law in the state of California. The state legislature said these workers are employees. The state judicial system said these workers are employees. These companies wouldn't accept that as an answer so they turned to funding the most expensive proposition battle in history with 90% coming down on the one side. This is also in addition to all sorts of free marketing the…

>We just learned that it takes only $200m to buy a law in the state of California.

Incredibly cynical and reductive. I cast my vote on prop 22 based on my personal beliefs about where the government should sit in a relationship between two consenting parties. I haven't used a ride share app in about 2 years. It has nothing to do with the money spent on the campaign, or my loyalty to any company, or marketing through an app.

Despite what people on the internet like to think, people actually have beliefs that aren't based on cynical, simplistic, one dimensional worldviews. People who've never used a rideshare app might object to the government demanding companies solve a problem few people had. Especially in California, where the State is extremely paternalistic and overbearing.

Re: Uber and Lyft expected to prevail in CA ballot measure

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

seibelj wrote: post #2

This - in addition to all the other results tonight, no matter which candidate ultimately wins - should give pause to many people on HN. Polls are incorrect, you probably live in a bubble, and people of all races and demographics don’t fit in neat stereotypical categories. I hope some serious post-mortems occur that do more than blame foreign interference.

There aren't many polls on California ballot propositions, but all the ones I saw correctly predicted this result.

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Post by refurb »

slg wrote: post #4

We just learned that it takes only $200m to buy a law in the state of California. The state legislature said these workers are employees. The state judicial system said these workers are employees. These companies wouldn't accept that as an answer so they turned to funding the most expensive proposition battle in history with 90% coming down on the one side. This is also in addition to all sorts of free marketing the…

That explains why when Bloomberg spent like a $1B to become the Democratic nominee he was successful.

Oh wait he wasn’t.

Money has an influence, but saying a vote is “bought” is just sour grapes.

Re: Uber and Lyft expected to prevail in CA ballot measure

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Post by nielsbot »

schoolornot wrote: post #13
slg wrote: post #4

We just learned that it takes only $200m to buy a law in the state of California. The state legislature said these workers are employees. The state judicial system said these workers are employees. These companies wouldn't accept that as an answer so they turned to funding the most expensive proposition battle in history with 90% coming down on the one side. This is also in addition to all sorts of free marketing the…

There's nothing wrong with this. What's a more American way to clarify a disagreement than to put the topic on a ballot and let the voters decide?

If it comes down to which side spends more money, then there's something wrong with it.

Re: Uber and Lyft expected to prevail in CA ballot measure

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Post by nielsbot »

refurb wrote: post #17
slg wrote: post #4

We just learned that it takes only $200m to buy a law in the state of California. The state legislature said these workers are employees. The state judicial system said these workers are employees. These companies wouldn't accept that as an answer so they turned to funding the most expensive proposition battle in history with 90% coming down on the one side. This is also in addition to all sorts of free marketing the…

That explains why when Bloomberg spent like a $1B to become the Democratic nominee he was successful. Oh wait he wasn’t. Money has an influence, but saying a vote is “bought” is just sour grapes.

You just said yourself money has an influence. That means it buys votes. That's facts, not sour grapes.

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Post by [deleted] »

slg wrote: post #4

We just learned that it takes only $200m to buy a law in the state of California. The state legislature said these workers are employees. The state judicial system said these workers are employees. These companies wouldn't accept that as an answer so they turned to funding the most expensive proposition battle in history with 90% coming down on the one side. This is also in addition to all sorts of free marketing the…

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