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Microsoft's quarterly profit drops below Apple's for the first time in 20 years

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Re: Microsoft's quarterly profit drops below Apple's for the first time in 20 years

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Post by cooldeal »

alanh wrote: post #19
orijing wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think Apple's walled approach to iOS apps and content on iOS platforms is more honorable than Microsoft's open development initiative? (i.e. letting anyone write Windows applications). To me, their decision to prevent iOS apps from getting content outside of its walled garden (and bypass the 30% fee) is much more anti-competitive than whatever Microsoft did. I don't know if anyone downvoted you (I didn't). I j…

Please stop trolling. Microsoft did a ton of shady things. For instance: Colluding with SCO to spread Linux IP FUD [1]; suing Lindows around the world, even“ex parte,” and getting a ruling from some a Dutch judge that every day someone could download Lindows from the Netherlands, Lindows owed MSFT an additional 100,000€ for trademark violation [2]; the whole Java Embrace, Extend, Extinguish thing; forcing OEMs to not…

>And I for one LOVE the walled garden as it provides me with demonstrably higher-quality, malware-free apps that don’t just rip off someone else’s IP/icon haphazardly the way most Android apps seem to do.

I am sure that you're happy that Google was left hanging for a year and that an Android app was banned from the App Store. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2373502,00.asp

And there are a whole ton of low quality apps in the iOS app store as well.

Re: Microsoft's quarterly profit drops below Apple's for the first time in 20 years

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Post by orijing »

alanh wrote: post #19
orijing wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think Apple's walled approach to iOS apps and content on iOS platforms is more honorable than Microsoft's open development initiative? (i.e. letting anyone write Windows applications). To me, their decision to prevent iOS apps from getting content outside of its walled garden (and bypass the 30% fee) is much more anti-competitive than whatever Microsoft did. I don't know if anyone downvoted you (I didn't). I j…

Please stop trolling. Microsoft did a ton of shady things. For instance: Colluding with SCO to spread Linux IP FUD [1]; suing Lindows around the world, even“ex parte,” and getting a ruling from some a Dutch judge that every day someone could download Lindows from the Netherlands, Lindows owed MSFT an additional 100,000€ for trademark violation [2]; the whole Java Embrace, Extend, Extinguish thing; forcing OEMs to not…

I was not trolling. I had a fundamental disagreement and wanted to understand where he was coming from.

Additionally, whether some anti-competitive action benefits you in the short term is irrelevant because it often does. (For example, Microsoft "Bundling" IE led you to have free browsers) They are anti-competitive because companies are sacrificing short term potential to wall off their competitors, hence "walled garden."

Re: Microsoft's quarterly profit drops below Apple's for the first time in 20 years

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Post by bonch »

benologist wrote: post #10
orijing wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think Apple's walled approach to iOS apps and content on iOS platforms is more honorable than Microsoft's open development initiative? (i.e. letting anyone write Windows applications). To me, their decision to prevent iOS apps from getting content outside of its walled garden (and bypass the 30% fee) is much more anti-competitive than whatever Microsoft did. I don't know if anyone downvoted you (I didn't). I j…

They both make dick moves every day and get soundly rewarded for doing so.

Which implies that most consumers don't consider them to be dick moves.

Re: Microsoft's quarterly profit drops below Apple's for the first time in 20 years

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Post by msbarnett »

orijing wrote: post #9
runjake wrote: post #4

For me, it's more interesting that Apple did this without a lot of the shady business & licensing practices that Microsoft engages in. Edit: Before downvoting me, take a look at my comment history. I'm not your typical Apple fan/Microsoft basher.

Do you think Apple's walled approach to iOS apps and content on iOS platforms is more honorable than Microsoft's open development initiative? (i.e. letting anyone write Windows applications). To me, their decision to prevent iOS apps from getting content outside of its walled garden (and bypass the 30% fee) is much more anti-competitive than whatever Microsoft did. I don't know if anyone downvoted you (I didn't). I j…

Microsoft is using the same "walled approach" in Windows Phone 7.

And Apple is using the same "open development initiative" approach in OS X.

I'm curious as to why you feel that "(Apple's walled garden approach) is much more anti-competitive than whatever Microsoft did" when Microsoft is pursuing the same approach in the same space.

Re: Microsoft's quarterly profit drops below Apple's for the first time in 20 years

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Post by Anechoic »

bonch wrote: post #33
benologist wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They both make dick moves every day and get soundly rewarded for doing so.

Which implies that most consumers don't consider them to be dick moves.

Or that most consumers don't have a choice in the matter (especially in regards to MS - I don't have a laptop running Windows & Office because I like Windows & Office).

Re: Microsoft's quarterly profit drops below Apple's for the first time in 20 years

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Post by cwp »

orijing wrote: post #9
runjake wrote: post #4

For me, it's more interesting that Apple did this without a lot of the shady business & licensing practices that Microsoft engages in. Edit: Before downvoting me, take a look at my comment history. I'm not your typical Apple fan/Microsoft basher.

Do you think Apple's walled approach to iOS apps and content on iOS platforms is more honorable than Microsoft's open development initiative? (i.e. letting anyone write Windows applications). To me, their decision to prevent iOS apps from getting content outside of its walled garden (and bypass the 30% fee) is much more anti-competitive than whatever Microsoft did. I don't know if anyone downvoted you (I didn't). I j…

Um, "whatever Microsoft did" was so shady it's illegal. Apple may be heavy-handed in how they manage their platform, but they don't do anything to prevent consumers from using competing platforms.

Re: Microsoft's quarterly profit drops below Apple's for the first time in 20 years

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Post by orijing »

muhfuhkuh wrote: post #16
orijing wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think Apple's walled approach to iOS apps and content on iOS platforms is more honorable than Microsoft's open development initiative? (i.e. letting anyone write Windows applications). To me, their decision to prevent iOS apps from getting content outside of its walled garden (and bypass the 30% fee) is much more anti-competitive than whatever Microsoft did. I don't know if anyone downvoted you (I didn't). I j…

"Do you think Apple's walled approach to iOS apps and content on iOS platforms is more honorable than Microsoft's open development initiative? (i.e. letting anyone write Windows applications)." I can make an OS X application and market it, distribute it in any way I wish. I can even use Apple's IDE, libraries, and compiler tools. Why are you comparing that to the device OS (which by the way, Microsoft also implements…

Sorry, that was a bad comparison. I just wanted to compare Apple's most popular platform to Microsoft's. But you're right, the circumstances are different. Apples and Oranges, I know.

Re: Microsoft's quarterly profit drops below Apple's for the first time in 20 years

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Post by nooneelse »

bonch wrote: post #33
benologist wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They both make dick moves every day and get soundly rewarded for doing so.

Which implies that most consumers don't consider them to be dick moves.

There are so many possible disconnections between the individual purchasing decisions of customers and the moves, dick or otherwise, which large businesses make, that I don't see how there is warrant to connect the one as a passing of any sort of judgement on the other at all.

For instance, a customer can love the output of a supply chain, and abhor some part (or the implications of some part) of that supply chain. This isn't at all like a thermometer measuring temperature here.

Re: Microsoft's quarterly profit drops below Apple's for the first time in 20 years

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Post by glhaynes »

Anechoic wrote: post #35
bonch wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which implies that most consumers don't consider them to be dick moves.

Or that most consumers don't have a choice in the matter (especially in regards to MS - I don't have a laptop running Windows & Office because I like Windows & Office).

That's the question, isn't it? If the user feels like they don't have a choice (and especially if it's because any potential choice has been intentionally squelched by the reigning monopolist), then it starts to seem dickish. There are plenty of alternative mobile platforms and thus it's rare to see people complain that they're forced into using an iPhone.

Re: Microsoft's quarterly profit drops below Apple's for the first time in 20 years

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Post by cooldeal »

Microsoft spends a significant amount on basic research, like Bell labs used to and Microsoft research publishes a lot of publications. 15% of the research budget goes to universities for research, that could keep the profits lower than Apple.
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