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Microsoft's quarterly profit drops below Apple's for the first time in 20 years
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Re: Microsoft's quarterly profit drops below Apple's for the first time in 20 years
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you think Apple's walled approach to iOS apps and content on iOS platforms is more honorable than Microsoft's open development initiative? (i.e. letting anyone write Windows applications). To me, their decision to prevent iOS apps from getting content outside of its walled garden (and bypass the 30% fee) is much more anti-competitive than whatever Microsoft did. I don't know if anyone downvoted you (I didn't). I j…
How is the "walled garden" anti-competitive. It doesn't stop anyone from writing applications for android, WebOS, etc. Apple is selling a hardware experience. We have a choice, use IOS devices with the walled garden experience, or use an alternative like Android or WebOS devices. Furthermore, "honor" has nothing to do with the ability to write apps for a platform without paying a fee. This is not similar to Microsoft…
>How is the "walled garden" anti-competitive. It doesn't stop anyone from writing applications for android, WebOS, etc
Microsoft got a lot of flak for just shipping IE with the OS, whereas Apple doesn't even allow alternate browser engines such as Firefox and Chrome on iOS.
Couple that with some capricious and silly rejecting or stonewalling of apps such as Google Voice and an Android magazine apps and I feel Apple is worse than Microsoft in asserting control over the ecosystem.
Re: Microsoft's quarterly profit drops below Apple's for the first time in 20 years
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
MS didn't drop below Apple, Apple grew above MS. It's a pretty important distinction - drop means they declined, Apple is now making more money than Microsoft, and Microsoft is making more money than they used to too .
When describing standing in sports you don't say "X won less than Y so Y is ahead", you say "X dropped below Y in the standings". Most financial reporting is based on sports speech.
Standings are a relative measure. Profits are not. You can say MS dropped below Apple in the rankings of profits. Likewise, one would NOT say in sports that X dropped below Y in wins. You'd say that Y passed X in wins.
Re: Microsoft's quarterly profit drops below Apple's for the first time in 20 years
#24For me, it's more interesting that Apple did this without a lot of the shady business & licensing practices that Microsoft engages in. Edit: Before downvoting me, take a look at my comment history. I'm not your typical Apple fan/Microsoft basher.
Do you think Apple's walled approach to iOS apps and content on iOS platforms is more honorable than Microsoft's open development initiative? (i.e. letting anyone write Windows applications). To me, their decision to prevent iOS apps from getting content outside of its walled garden (and bypass the 30% fee) is much more anti-competitive than whatever Microsoft did. I don't know if anyone downvoted you (I didn't). I j…
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Re: Microsoft's quarterly profit drops below Apple's for the first time in 20 years
#25For me, it's more interesting that Apple did this without a lot of the shady business & licensing practices that Microsoft engages in. Edit: Before downvoting me, take a look at my comment history. I'm not your typical Apple fan/Microsoft basher.
Do you think Apple's walled approach to iOS apps and content on iOS platforms is more honorable than Microsoft's open development initiative? (i.e. letting anyone write Windows applications). To me, their decision to prevent iOS apps from getting content outside of its walled garden (and bypass the 30% fee) is much more anti-competitive than whatever Microsoft did. I don't know if anyone downvoted you (I didn't). I j…
> Do you think Apple's walled approach to iOS apps and content on iOS platforms is more honorable than Microsoft's open development initiative? (i.e. letting anyone write Windows applications).
What's dishonorable about it? Console manufacturers are the same way, requiring approval over software developed by their licensees.
> To me, their decision to prevent iOS apps from getting content outside of its walled garden (and bypass the 30% fee) is much more anti-competitive than whatever Microsoft did.
It's just a different approach. If you disagree with it, that doesn't mean it's dishonorable or anti-competitive. All businesses are out to beat their competition.
Re: Microsoft's quarterly profit drops below Apple's for the first time in 20 years
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't see what's misleading here. Doesn't your sentence basically mean the same thing the title does? As you said, microsoft's profits grew slower, and they had lower profits than apple did, which means the story title is far from misleading.
MS didn't drop below Apple, Apple grew above MS. It's a pretty important distinction - drop means they declined, Apple is now making more money than Microsoft, and Microsoft is making more money than they used to too .
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Re: Microsoft's quarterly profit drops below Apple's for the first time in 20 years
#27Misleading. Microsoft's quarterly profit grew pretty quickly (above 30%). It's just that Apple's profit grew faster, causing it to take the lead in the race.
Guys, I didn't mean to start such a discussion over the wording. I said it was misleading, not "cannot be interpreted correctly."
In particular, by saying that X's profit dropped below Y's for the first time (without context of X and Y) suggests TO ME that X's profit dropped when that was not the case.
By "misleading," I meant that had I not known profit figures already, I would have assumed the title meant that Microsoft's profit had fallen. It means that the understanding it leads you to believe initially is incorrect, hence misleading.
Re: Microsoft's quarterly profit drops below Apple's for the first time in 20 years
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
How is the "walled garden" anti-competitive. It doesn't stop anyone from writing applications for android, WebOS, etc. Apple is selling a hardware experience. We have a choice, use IOS devices with the walled garden experience, or use an alternative like Android or WebOS devices. Furthermore, "honor" has nothing to do with the ability to write apps for a platform without paying a fee. This is not similar to Microsoft…
>How is the "walled garden" anti-competitive. It doesn't stop anyone from writing applications for android, WebOS, etc Microsoft got a lot of flak for just shipping IE with the OS, whereas Apple doesn't even allow alternate browser engines such as Firefox and Chrome on iOS. Couple that with some capricious and silly rejecting or stonewalling of apps such as Google Voice and an Android magazine apps and I feel Apple i…
Also remember Apple having to back pedal from developers even generating code from non-sanctioned languages. It was the first time in history, that I recall, where a vendor not only specified a language, but also specified how code for that language was generated.
Re: Microsoft's quarterly profit drops below Apple's for the first time in 20 years
#29MSFT is down 4.4% now: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/microsoft-offers-more-muted...
Stocks move for odd reasons. Not based on the news directly, but based on the news relative to what the market thought the news would be.
Re: Microsoft's quarterly profit drops below Apple's for the first time in 20 years
#30Misleading. Microsoft's quarterly profit grew pretty quickly (above 30%). It's just that Apple's profit grew faster, causing it to take the lead in the race.
Guys, I didn't mean to start such a discussion over the wording. I said it was misleading, not "cannot be interpreted correctly." In particular, by saying that X's profit dropped below Y's for the first time (without context of X and Y) suggests TO ME that X's profit dropped when that was not the case. By "misleading," I meant that had I not known profit figures already, I would have assumed the title meant that Micr…
I downvoted your original post because I read "misleading" as implying that it was intentionally, wilfully misleading - i.e. lying. But you're correct: the wording misled you (and understandably so) to an incorrect conclusion. Apologies.