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As an older guy I've finally figured out weight-loss

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Re: As an older guy I've finally figured out weight-loss

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I went from 82kg down to 67kg and have kept it off for 4 years. I'm happier, more mentally stable, and more free in my thoughts. I agree with the main argument you make - measure what you eat, and decrease it, but not too rapidly, and stick with it. I agree with your main food recommendation of keeping it natural: "only vegetables, fruit, lean meats, eggs, all seasoned with herbs and salt only - not sauces and very l…

>Sugar is the biggest threat to weight loss because the calories from sugar go straight to fat, and the sudden increase in high glycemic index input triggers an insulin response, which makes you feel like a yo-yo merry-go-round of energy/despair.

I've had problems with fatigue/low energy for a while now - I always crash in the afternoon around 2pm, roughly three hours after eating my first meal of the day. After doing some research I decided to cut out sugar and flour in the morning, and the results have been dramatic. My problems with energy and fatigue were getting so bad that I was starting to think I had a chronic illness - nope, just crashing from insulin every day!

Re: As an older guy I've finally figured out weight-loss

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I lost 30 kg. Crucial components: ZERO cheating. Not a single beer. Not a single extra bite. Managed this for 3 months, losing 15 kg. Then occasional cheating for 6 months, losing 0 kg... Then managed once more for 3 months, lost another 15 kg. This is the hard part, I managed by introducing the following habits: Same "default" meal every day. Chicken with broccoli, day in day out. It's not the best nutrition advice,…

I've lost about the same amount but have since regained about 12kg and have been sitting about 7kg more than I would like for some time. I've been asked what I did to lose weight but I really don't have a good answer for it. At a couple points in my life I've decided to take dieting very seriously. "ZERO cheating" works when you are serious. Other times I've started "seriously" and the eventual work party, birthday,…

I am in the same situation: Roughly at a time where I moved to a new house I decided to loose weight (133kg). In 2.5 years I lost 40kg, for 6 months I stayed in a plateau, then in the next year I regained 20. Since two years my weight is more or less stable.

Today I am, like you, not sure why I loose so much weight, why I had a plateau, then why my weight went up again.

Re: As an older guy I've finally figured out weight-loss

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I've lost about 13kg since December. Most of it before our winter hit then I plateaued now that spring/summer is back I expect it'll start dropping again.

3 major changes for me: 1) Every (or most days) day I get up and on my bike. I dont set a limit, its just enough that I get on it. What I've found is that over a fairly short amount of time I started riding longer and further just because I was enjoying it. I now add in a stop at an outdoor gym for some sit-ups and push ups etc.

2) I skip breakfast every day. Call it Intermittent Fasting or Calorie Restriction... It matters not.

3) I no longer drink sweetened drinks. black coffee, black tea, water... that's about it.

They're not world changing things but they all seem to add up and work. I think they shouldn't be too difficult to keep up indefinitely.

Re: As an older guy I've finally figured out weight-loss

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The problem with these types of posts is that while there's a grain of truth in there (burn more calories than you take in), we're still not able to easily determine a number of key pieces of information that would allow us to really understand how to be successful: 1) How many calories do you need at your target weight? 2) What is your basal metabolic rate? 3) As you cut out calories and lose weight, how much is you…

I don’t know why people subscribe to arbitrary numbers on the internet vs just experimenting. If you want to lose weight, you eat less and burn more and that is it. Not losing enough weight? Don’t quit. Just run more and eat even less. Or run even more and maintain your diet.

There is no human that won’t shed weight like water off a roof if given energy expenditure coupled with restricted intake. And its easy to overwhelm yourself with energy expenditure if you wanted to still eat like a pig: start running up and down bleachers until you are on the verge of puking and watch the pounds fly off.

The reason why so many people are overweight is because they spend their life sitting in bed, sitting at work, sitting in their car, burning tens of calories. Then they try cutting out a 300 cal muffin from their daily intake and wonder why it takes 6 months to lose 5 lbs. You need activity, especially if you don’t have activity in your life. It’s who we are as animals. Early humans would walk game down until it was exhausted and sitting down no longer able to even stand. Then our ancestors would calmly walk up to the delirious antelope on the verge of death and poke it with a stick or beat it with a rock. Today, no one bothers making time to burn those calories, and that’s ultimately why people get fat. Modern suburban living has coddled us from physical activity, such as walking.

Re: As an older guy I've finally figured out weight-loss

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Congratulations.

I'm in my 40's. When I was in my late 20's I noticed that I'd started to put on some pudge. I'm 186cm tall and had been used to being very skinny and able to eat as much junk as I wanted. I'd been a long distance runner in school, generally active, but had slowed that down after getting a programming job. I weighed myself for the first time in years and I was 90kg. Not "fat" but not comfortable for me. I lost 20kg over about five or six months and have kept it off for about the last 15 years. I've gone up and down by a few kgs, but never went above 75kg again. I literally weigh almost exactly 70kg today.

The advice I give is generally close to what you've found. I didn't track calories or anything, but I weighed myself every single day, tracked it in a spreadsheet and consciously adjusted what I ate and how much I ate based on my average over the last week or so. Basically, if my weight was on track, I'd eat what I felt like and not worry about it. If it was trending up, I'd consciously make an effort to eat "less" than I wanted to; smaller portions, skip a meal, drink water instead of beer, etc. The further off track I was or the longer it was taking me to get back on track, the harder I'd have to correct. It involved the same shift in mindset, that I wasn't just losing weight, but achieving and maintaining a certain range was just part of who I was.

Like I said, I didn't track calories and still don't, but I did take a very data-driven approach where the results of my recent past actions determined my future actions. Basically, our bodies are bad at accurately signalling whether you have eaten enough or too much. Most of us, if we just eat when we feel hungry and eat what we think is a good amount, will get it wrong most of the time. We need to bring in external data to that feedback loop.

At some level, "calories in calories out" is right and it doesn't matter that much what you eat. If you are adjusting the quantity based on results, it will work. But of course, eating well really does make it easier. Eating more whole plant-based food and balancing your macros tends to make you feel fuller so you aren't fighting your own sense of hunger as much and keeps you healthier and feeling healthier and more energetic. It's hard to maintain the willpower over long periods if you are eating junk and your body isn't being nourished properly. You might lose weight but you can still ruin your health.

I'm also skeptical of calorie counting because there does seem to be some truth to "not all calories are the same". "Calories in calories out" works based on what your body actually digests and metabolizes. I'm not convinced that the calories in the food you eat match what your body actually gets out of that food, whether that's consistent across different people or even for the same person over time. Eg, I wouldn't be surprised if personal gut biome plays a large role here.

Similarly, exercise isn't strictly necessary, but helps in so many ways. I'd mostly recommend keeping it minimal until you are well into the "maintain" phase. I think a really common failure is when people get really into exercise, push it too far, then burn themselves out (or injure themselves) and crash out of the whole thing. Find physical activity that you enjoy and can do on a regular basis and don't overdo it.

The big thing that I feel is hard to get across to others sometimes is that there is a huge difference between "simple" and "easy". Losing weight and keeping it off with that approach is extremely "simple". But it's far from "easy". I've been doing it for fifteen years and it's something that I still have to work hard at basically every single day. I'm only maintaining my weight so it's not a huge sacrifice every day, but it's not easy to keep that level of effort up over a long period of time in the face of whatever other ups and downs you might have in your life. I get a bit hurt and frustrated when others downplay my efforts because I "look thin" so they believe it must be easy for me. (then they usually ignore whatever advice I give them in favor of the latest fad diet that their overweight friends are recommending because clearly their overweight friends must know more about diet and weight loss than me).

Re: As an older guy I've finally figured out weight-loss

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I lost 30 kg. Crucial components: ZERO cheating. Not a single beer. Not a single extra bite. Managed this for 3 months, losing 15 kg. Then occasional cheating for 6 months, losing 0 kg... Then managed once more for 3 months, lost another 15 kg. This is the hard part, I managed by introducing the following habits: Same "default" meal every day. Chicken with broccoli, day in day out. It's not the best nutrition advice,…

What’s your other food apart from the default meal?

breakfast: slice of rye bread with low-fat curd 1st snack: an apple lunch: chicken breast + broccoli 2nd snack: an apple dinner: chicken breast + broccoli

Of course I did sometimes eat something different. But having the default always readily available was paramount.

Btw broccoli is amazing - you cook it for exactly 3 and half minutes and you have half a kilo of warm healthy veggies that fills you for hours. I haven't found anything else that comes even close to broccoli "efficiency".

Re: As an older guy I've finally figured out weight-loss

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Yes, exactly! Zero cheating and accurate measurements seem to be paramount. I'm glad for some of the others posters who could take a more lax approach and only eyeball stuff or vaguely count macro, but that didn't work for me at all.

This is why I wrote it's a journey. It is indeed true that calorific deficit and accurate measurements is the best way to predictable weight loss. But can you eat chicken and brocoli for the rest of your life? Can you do zero cheating and accurate measurements for ever? Is losing 15 kgrs in 3 months healthy? It is very easy to take the weight back and then some. There is a reason we have the term yo-yo dieting. :( Fo…

Can you eat chicken + broccoli for the rest of your life? No you can't. But it teaches you to ditch all crap from your fridge and find good unprocessed stuff. Boy, who doesn't love a piece of steak with just grilled veggies, or a good roasted fish with just a nice salad? Why fill yourself with potatoes, rice, etc. if you can have good meat.

Is losing 15 kgrs in 3 months healthy? It's healthier than staying fat..

Re: As an older guy I've finally figured out weight-loss

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> I'm just not disciplined enough. That is exactly the point. Being disciplined is the only way to lose weight. All these magic techniques and whatnot are just shortcuts to cheat you into being more disciplined. And what works here is different for everyone.

I agree. I guess I just wanted to say that calorie counting was a kind of discipline I could not muster (like many), and that there might be simpler strategies which could work out for you. Still requires discipline.

For me intermittent fasting, eating lots of fiber, cooking instead of eating out and avoiding sugar at all costs. You know just treat food with the same respect that you would give to medicine: it can heal you or make you ill.
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