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Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by dheera »

ineedasername wrote: post #265

This blows my mind. I know, it's much more incremental than it is revolutionary, but I think the form factor achieves a much greater degree of access for many people than a typical Pi whose bare hardware may be a lot more intimidating. Now, it's "just" a computer, which happens to expose a 40-pin connector for the standard Pi hardware fun. And unlike other options you might find, this has the massive built-in communi…

I wish it had a trackpoint device in the middle instead of a separate mouse. That way everything would be in one box. One less thing to carry around.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by tlrobinson »

ineedasername wrote: post #265

This blows my mind. I know, it's much more incremental than it is revolutionary, but I think the form factor achieves a much greater degree of access for many people than a typical Pi whose bare hardware may be a lot more intimidating. Now, it's "just" a computer, which happens to expose a 40-pin connector for the standard Pi hardware fun. And unlike other options you might find, this has the massive built-in communi…

I wonder if they’ll come out with a tablet or laptop form factor.

Remember OLPC? It was painfully slow, but that was more than 10 years ago.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLPC_XO

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by yellowapple »

dheera wrote: post #601
ineedasername wrote: post #265

This blows my mind. I know, it's much more incremental than it is revolutionary, but I think the form factor achieves a much greater degree of access for many people than a typical Pi whose bare hardware may be a lot more intimidating. Now, it's "just" a computer, which happens to expose a 40-pin connector for the standard Pi hardware fun. And unlike other options you might find, this has the massive built-in communi…

I wish it had a trackpoint device in the middle instead of a separate mouse. That way everything would be in one box. One less thing to carry around.

Or better yet, a built-in trackball like on some IBM/Unicomp keyboards.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by dzhiurgis »

muds wrote: post #596
dzhiurgis wrote: post #591

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My biggest beef with RPI is how much effort it takes it set it up as headless machine. Expectation was just plug USB-C cable and shell away. Nope. Connect to Wifi first. Then to use it's serial ports there's ton of conflicting info that I've gave up after spending days on it. Finally no way to run headless if you wan't 64bit OS. It's good computer for r/iamverysmart type of people, but not to be actually productive h…

> no way to run headless if you wan't 64bit OS. Could you expand on that a bit more? I'm currently running a Pi3B+ 64bit Raspbian headless and have had no problems so far. Does the Pi4 not allow 64bit headless?

Raspbian 64bit seems recent and still in beta. I think I’ve tried to get Ubuntu and failed to find manual how to get it connect to my wifi with ssh enabled. I don’t have keyboard, monitor and hdmi adapters for this nonsense.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by rhizome »

ineedasername wrote: post #265

This blows my mind. I know, it's much more incremental than it is revolutionary, but I think the form factor achieves a much greater degree of access for many people than a typical Pi whose bare hardware may be a lot more intimidating. Now, it's "just" a computer, which happens to expose a 40-pin connector for the standard Pi hardware fun. And unlike other options you might find, this has the massive built-in communi…

There was a stretch when you had Gateway, eMachines, Dell (et al) in competition that could have resulted in machines that cheap if the market for desktops hadn't died (relatively). But even now Dell's lowest-end desktop is $350, and that's with an i3.

I wouldn't be surprised if that's an engineered price point because lesser hardware at lower prices can't even be shipped and make a profit. And frankly, if I remember back 10-15 years, there were $350 boxes back then, too, so maybe it's a minimum price/rule of thumb that was calculated a long time ago.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by TimTheTinker »

chmod775 wrote: post #520
TimTheTinker wrote: post #503

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In developed nations, I think families in poverty usually have a TV. The brilliance here is that a kid in a poor family can get started with just a single piece of hardware that's available cheaply.

>In developed nations, I think families in poverty usually have a TV. That was a fair assertion 1997. Nowadays you will easily find a bunch of computers too. >The brilliance here is that a kid in a poor family can get started with just a single piece of hardware that's available cheaply. $100 isn't cheap when you're poor. A poor family that has any sense certainly won't buy brand-new hardware. When you have to save m…

> $100 isn't cheap when you're poor.

I meant if they somehow got ahold of one (community program, kind person from across town, local school getting rid of them, etc.). The discussion was more about whether a child in a poor family who gets one can actually use it without any extra hardware, not how affordable $100 is to a family in poverty.

Most parents in poverty don't have the brain space to think about buying one of these for their kids, much less the $100 it costs.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by forty »

qz2 wrote: post #490
ilrwbwrkhv wrote: post #392

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and it is british. anecdotally in terms of longevity and development i have seen they do the best job.

As a British person we tend to tell everyone we do that and people believe it. However it’s not necessarily true. We produced a ridiculously large amount of crap to the point we nearly killed our manufacturing industry. If there’s anything to aspire to its Hewlett Packard’s test and measurement and computing offerings between 1960 and 1990.

I cannot resist the urge of sharing this wonderful sequence (also made in UK :) ): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1EBfxjSFAxQ

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by jeffxtreme »

my123 wrote: post #574
jeffxtreme wrote: post #515

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Even for non-STEM students, the Pi setup seems fairly accessible. From a quick online search, I could find monitors for $30 - $50 and webcams $20 - $30 which is pretty price competitive with a $200 - $300 Chromebook. The Pi community would help with any driver installation issues, and the Pi setup seems powered up enough to run Zoom with no issues. Though I do see even cheaper Chromebooks in the same price range, so…

Chromebooks right now are in a quite huge shortage: https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20201029PD205.html > Component shortages continue to disrupt Acer's Chromebook shipments, which can fulfill only 30% of customer orders, with shipments for the remainders having to be deferred, according to the company.

Ah still? Interesting. Maybe supply is geographically dependent, as I'm seeing Chromebook availability in Walmart / Amazon / directly from Acer. The sub-$200 laptops are mostly used or renewed though, so maybe school districts are more hesitant to purchase those.

Re: Raspberry Pi 400 Desktop PC

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Post by josefresco »

ineedasername wrote: post #492
cactus2093 wrote: post #409

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> The district couldn't secure all of the necessary Chrome Books, and some students have been left attempting remote learning via their parent's phone, or simply left behind. A cheap mass market device has some truly amazing potential to fill in these gaps at the same time that it enables more advanced S(T)EM learning than you could get with a typical cheap Chrome Book. How many households in this situation have an e…

1) You can hook this up to a TV. 2) Webcam isn't strictly necessary: You'll be able to "see" your teacher, type in chat, virtually raise your hand, etc. 3) This enables more advanced STEM (The "T" portion, really) not because it's a desktop but because of the built-in 40-pin connector opening it up to the massive catalog of projects that exist for the Pi platform already. 4) Perfect is the enemy of the good: You're c…

> 2) Webcam isn't strictly necessary

Not in our school district (Mass), students are required to have cameras on and showing most of their face.

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