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AI that mistook a bald head for a soccer ball

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Re: AI that mistook a bald head for a soccer ball

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Could be worse. An eagle once mistook Aeschylus's bald head for a rock and dropped a tortoise on it (expecting the rock to smash the tortoise shell), killing Aeschylus. https://www.goldencharter.co.uk/news-and-info/2017/six-stran... .

Interesting angle for a funeral service ad..

Re: AI that mistook a bald head for a soccer ball

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This tech is fucking amazing.

Assuming their marketing is correct and it's actually AI they would be the only company actually using AI in production in the world AFAIK.

They do Ads, Replays, Coaching, better than human ball tracking, they mention betting, not sure what.

https://www.pixellot.tv/

You put up a camera that moves with a 5G card then it's just software eating the world.

As a parent you NEVER have to go to your kids game again. Which since we all love remote working that's the logical next step. We don't need humans in our lives at all.

It's rare on HN you see a tech that might actually work and integrate into our lives.

You could easily see it as a tool to coach your McDonalds staff. This is the future.

Re: AI that mistook a bald head for a soccer ball

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post #28

Either train more with bald players, or do better at choosing the 'thing that is being converged upon'. Humans would be able to follow a game regardless of the shape or color of the ball's appearance.

It's a hard task for young kids or anyone not used to watching sports. Ever watch a new sport with a child? They frequently lose sight/track of the ball/puck/etc.

A lot of it is learned heuristics. Things like how fast the ball normally travels, how hard it looks like the player threw or hit, game knowledge about places it makes sense for the ball to go, etc.

Re: AI that mistook a bald head for a soccer ball

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Eh, there's nothing new under the sun. The book A Robot Ping-Pong Player (https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/robot-ping-pong-player) contains an anecdote about the robot mistaking Marvin Minsky's head for a ping-pong ball... and taking a swing at him...

See also: https://muq.org/~cynbe/muq/muf3_22.html

Re: AI that mistook a bald head for a soccer ball

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The article’s title appears to be a reference to: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Mistook_His_Wife...

That is a pretty obtuse reference to use without explanation. It’s also an odd choice because it feels weird to call an AI a “who”. Despite AI replacing some human tasks, as with the camera operator here, the technology is not at all what we would consider a person.

Obtuse? It was even made into an opera, among other things.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/arts/la-xpm-2012-jun-1...

Re: AI that mistook a bald head for a soccer ball

#36

Could be worse. An eagle once mistook Aeschylus's bald head for a rock and dropped a tortoise on it (expecting the rock to smash the tortoise shell), killing Aeschylus. https://www.goldencharter.co.uk/news-and-info/2017/six-stran... .

> To add a further strange twist to the death of Aeschylus, Roman author Pliny, suggested that Aeschylus had been spending a lot of time outdoors to avoid a prophecy that he would be killed by a falling object.

Re: AI that mistook a bald head for a soccer ball

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This tech is fucking amazing. Assuming their marketing is correct and it's actually AI they would be the only company actually using AI in production in the world AFAIK. They do Ads, Replays, Coaching, better than human ball tracking, they mention betting, not sure what. https://www.pixellot.tv/ You put up a camera that moves with a 5G card then it's just software eating the world. As a parent you NEVER have to go to…

Is that an auto-generated comment? I can't make sense of it at all.

Re: AI that mistook a bald head for a soccer ball

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I worked for a small startup in copenhagen that worked on this exact problem. Our virtual camera solution was great, and detection of the ball worked most of the time, but white long socks would almost always take the camera's attention. Tracking a fast moving object at a distance is a hard problem indeed

Does AI like this incorporate negative/positive punishment into learning as well as reinforcement? Is there an equivalent of slapping it and saying "No! Bad AI!" so it drops the association more quickly?

Re: AI that mistook a bald head for a soccer ball

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a hard task for young kids or anyone not used to watching sports. Ever watch a new sport with a child? They frequently lose sight/track of the ball/puck/etc.

A lot of it is learned heuristics. Things like how fast the ball normally travels, how hard it looks like the player threw or hit, game knowledge about places it makes sense for the ball to go, etc.

We don't train these algorithms while they are in active, live, use. If a human camera man mistook the bald head for the ball once in the game, he'd probably only do it once.

Re: AI that mistook a bald head for a soccer ball

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This tech is fucking amazing. Assuming their marketing is correct and it's actually AI they would be the only company actually using AI in production in the world AFAIK. They do Ads, Replays, Coaching, better than human ball tracking, they mention betting, not sure what. https://www.pixellot.tv/ You put up a camera that moves with a 5G card then it's just software eating the world. As a parent you NEVER have to go to…

If you haven't noticed, a camera + some image recognition software is the new industrial sensor.. since the last 20 years.
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