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South Park creators have new political satire series with AI-generated deepfakes

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Post by fullshark »

readams wrote: post #194

People are going crazy over deepfakes but we've had Photoshop for a long time and the world hasn't ended. We find ways to verify the content of photos through other means, such as their provenance.

Looking at the video here, the two best by far are the Michael Caine and Julie Andrews deep fakes, and in both cases the voice is doing most of the heavy lifting. Deepfake audio is somewhat scarier to me in terms of political / legal chaos than video, much easier to possibly trick someone with a "secret" audio recording than video recording if we some day get to the point of near identical audio mimicry.

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Post by scarmig »

Nasrudith wrote: post #202
scarmig wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Deepfakes have the potential to exacerbate existing issues in civil society. If your husband has just been murdered because of a riot instigated by a deepfake, it's not a great comfort to know that it's not really the "fault" of the deepfake but instead the "fault" of a broken civil society. Plus, deepfakes have the potential to create much more noxious videos than real life. Real life videos depict real life people,…

Well the world does not operate based upon what is comforting. I thought that it was obvious even before COVID-19 but people keep on missing this. Why not blame the person who confirmed your husband's death at this point if accepting comfortable illusions of someone easy to punish is what we are doing? Without them you would still have some remote hope of survival! The first step of solving a problem is recognizing t…

Burning a woman as a witch doesn't build any kind of incentive structure to prevent future crop failures. Punishing politicians who incite violence creates the obvious incentive structure for politicians not to incite violence, which results in less violence. This applies both the deepfakes and calls to violence in general.

Politicians don't have a particular right to remain in office despite inciting violence, even if it gives them the sads if they face repercussions.

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Post by DerDangDerDang »

fullshark wrote: post #221
readams wrote: post #194

People are going crazy over deepfakes but we've had Photoshop for a long time and the world hasn't ended. We find ways to verify the content of photos through other means, such as their provenance.

Looking at the video here, the two best by far are the Michael Caine and Julie Andrews deep fakes, and in both cases the voice is doing most of the heavy lifting. Deepfake audio is somewhat scarier to me in terms of political / legal chaos than video, much easier to possibly trick someone with a "secret" audio recording than video recording if we some day get to the point of near identical audio mimicry.

Not sure there’s any deepfakery on the Michael Caine audio. Peter Serafinowicz (the other collaborator and originator of ‘sassy Trump’) is well known for his Michael Caine impersonation.

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Post by thrav »

01100011 wrote: post #201

This is the funniest thing Matt and Trey have done in years. I don't know if they still write the show, but it hasn't been funny to me in a couple years. This clip had me rolling. This feels inspired and I hope it creates more awareness in the general public.

I couldn’t agree more. It managed to feel like good old fashioned low budget internet fun from YouTube yesteryear. Putting aside Matt and Trey, it’s one of the few things that’s made me genuinely burst out laughing in years, period.

It’s made me stop and think about why that is, and the best I can come up with is that very little is surprising anymore. When you get past 30, everything feels like something you’ve seen done before. Deep fake comedy is so cutting edge, that it couldn’t help but be fresh.

Or maybe I’m just a boring old man. The last thing that made me laugh this hard was this Reddit submission, and again, it succeeds because I didn’t see it coming: https://i.reddit.com/r/ContagiousLaughter/comments/gzdja1/on...

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Post by ACow_Adonis »

readams wrote: post #194

People are going crazy over deepfakes but we've had Photoshop for a long time and the world hasn't ended. We find ways to verify the content of photos through other means, such as their provenance.

except (in my experience as a photographer), most/a significant chunk of the general public not only don't understand photoshop, but will actively disbelieve you about the extent, purpose and outcome of manipulations.

Also, it's one thing to say the world hasn't ended, but that's to potentially downplay at a minimum the idea that commercial and widespread use of photoshop hasn't had widespread effects on body and self-image, creating and interacting with arguably culture-bound psychological issues such as anorexia, bulimia, unnecessary surgery, self- harm, suicide, etc. Or to take examples from non Anglo culture, eyelid removal, skin whitening, nose surgery, etc.

it's true that the world hasn't ended, but that's a thought terminating cliche. there's a lot of evidence it's creating and created significant harm and significant effects.

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Post by ip26 »

filleokus wrote: post #134
ip26 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trust. If the root signatory is CNN, you decide whether you trust CNN not to do that. Not really any different from other encryption. Your bank could be defrauding you on the back end despite the verified https session. But you trust they aren't.

Why do we need to sign the video then? Isn't it enough for me to ensure that I have a secure TLS connection to https://cnn.com ? Maybe for external platforms? But then the challenge is just proving that https://www.youtube.com/user/CNN/ is controlled by CNN. Much simpler than involving the cameras.

The hope would be that if video clips were verifiable, they would be widely expected to be verified, such that when someone links to "old clip of Senator says outlandish thing", you habitually check to see if it's verified- no matter who or what is re-sharing it.

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Post by filoleg »

DerDangDerDang wrote: post #224
fullshark wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking at the video here, the two best by far are the Michael Caine and Julie Andrews deep fakes, and in both cases the voice is doing most of the heavy lifting. Deepfake audio is somewhat scarier to me in terms of political / legal chaos than video, much easier to possibly trick someone with a "secret" audio recording than video recording if we some day get to the point of near identical audio mimicry.

Not sure there’s any deepfakery on the Michael Caine audio. Peter Serafinowicz (the other collaborator and originator of ‘sassy Trump’) is well known for his Michael Caine impersonation.

>Not sure there’s any deepfakery on the Michael Caine audio

Most likely not, and the parent comment seems to agree with you on that. I think they were just trying to point out, in general, that the arrival of commonplace audio deepfakes might be way more disruptive than video deepfakes, despite a lot of people (including myself) who used to counter-intuitively think that video deepfakes would be more disruptive.

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Post by notanotherycom1 »

yalogin wrote: post #4

Deepfakes have the potential to turn the word upside down and cause utter chaos in the world. I don’t know how we are going to deal with it as a society, I think we are not equipped for it. In fact I fully expected trump to use it for the October surprise, but I guess he didn’t go there for whatever reason.

If an obvious lie can consistently fool 80% of the players in among us (details below) then I can imagine deepfakes will fool just as many people despite how obvious it is. By obvious I mean almost 100% of the time it's a lie and people fall for it

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I played maybe a hundred games of among us (they can be very short). The game is about one or more imposters trying to murder the rest of the crew but you'll have to be discreet and get/find people alone so you don't get voted off. When a body is found a meeting happens and you can lie (text chat)

One problem is you don't want to accuse someone when you're an imposter because you immediately become suspicious. Most games will tell you if you voted off an imposter or not so they'll know you're lieing right away once game tells them they voted a non imposter. Most of the time you want to accuse noone, play dumb and act like you're everyeone else and saw nothing.

I lost count when a guy doesn't accuse anyone for 20+seconds, get accused then claims the guy who found the body is an imposter and all these things he did that are suspicious. (why didn't you say it right away?!). Like 90+% of the time the guy being accused is the imposter who waited so he can feel the situation out. It's extremely obvious but maybe 70% of the time literally every player but me and the guy reporting the body is fooled. Which is far too many players at a far too high fool rate. It's so painful because it's so obvious. 90+% of the time in that scenario the reporting guy is telling the truth.

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