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Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by LocalH »

srtjstjsj wrote: post #277
dheera wrote: post #274

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Yes, but so are non-compete agreements and discrimination, and laws can make those contracts invalid. I would like to see laws make HOAs invalid and null and void. If you own something you should have full control of it, to the extent that it doesn't adversely influence the safety of the community. So yeah I'm okay with laws saying you aren't allowed to store a pile of hazardous chemicals that could be a safety hazar…

In a free country, why would you take away my right to join an HOA to protect the home I own? The 1sr Amendment guarantees freedom of association.

Sounds an awful lot like mob “protection”

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by olyjohn »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #244
stale2002 wrote: post #242

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> would be happy to enter into a contract with Tesla It is not Tesla's car. They don't own it anymore. The liability would be the same for any other car. > this would be covered by the car's insurance, right Yes. Which has nothing to do with Tesla. > then I can accept Tesla not wanting to be held liable Tesla does not own that car. The car would be the same as any other car that Tesla does not own.

A defect that is the fault of the manufacturer is certainly a way to sue Tesla for 'cars they don't own'. Happens all the time. Daily. And after you jailbreak your Tesla and cause an injury accident, who's to know? Just say you didn't, and it was Tesla's defect. Of course Tesla is concerned.

Let's apply this scenario to a non-Tesla car. And instead of a jailbreak, you decide to do your own brake job on your car.

"And after you do your own brake job on your Honda and cause an injury accident, who's to know? Just say you didn't, and it was Honda's defect."

This applies to any kind of thing you do to your own car. There's always some chance that something can go wrong and cause a huge wreck. There's always a part that can go bad, and there's always going to be someone who lies to cover up or blames the manufacturer.

You could drive your wheel into a curb, damage your suspension, and then have it fall off a week later and crash into oncoming traffic. And still blame the manufacturer for it.

The point is, you don't need to modify a car, or jailbreak it, or anything for these lawsuits to happen.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by olyjohn »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #290
stale2002 wrote: post #282

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> And after you jailbreak your Tesla The Tesla belongs to the user. It no longer belongs to Tesla. That is all that matters. > Of course Tesla is concerned. Their concern is of no importance to me regarding things that they no longer own. I simply do not care what their concern is on anything that is no longer owned by them.

Good for you. But society has rules and laws, and Tesla is indeed responsible for failures in design or manufacturing. As evidenced by hundreds of lawsuits of other manufacturers, for a century.

That doesn't mean that a handful of people with jail-broken cars are going to be able to get together and prove a manufacturing defect.

If there were 2000 cars that were jailbroken, and they all crashed in the same way due to the jailbreak.. don't you think they'd figure out that the jailbreak was the problem? It's not that hard to tell if the software has been changed from stock.

If they all failed differently, and had different accidents in different scenarios, you're going to have a hard time proving a manufacturer defect.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by stale2002 »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #290
stale2002 wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And after you jailbreak your Tesla The Tesla belongs to the user. It no longer belongs to Tesla. That is all that matters. > Of course Tesla is concerned. Their concern is of no importance to me regarding things that they no longer own. I simply do not care what their concern is on anything that is no longer owned by them.

Good for you. But society has rules and laws, and Tesla is indeed responsible for failures in design or manufacturing. As evidenced by hundreds of lawsuits of other manufacturers, for a century.

> But society has rules and laws

Yes, and those rules and laws say that the car belongs to the consumer, and the consumer can basically do whatever they want to that car, regardless if Tesla doesn't want that.

Tesla has no legal right to prevent someone from salvaging a car that belongs to the person.

A consumer has the legal right to salvage that car, no matter what Tesla thinks on the matter.

Right to repair laws are on the consumers side, not Tesla's.

This is well established law, that has been in existence for literally decades, and Tesla does not get to ignore these well established laws.

The fact that "Of course Tesla is concerned." is not my problem. It is not the problem of consumers, who have legals rights. And I don't care what Tesla is "concerned" about, because consumers have the legal right to salvages cars, and Tesla does not get to ignore these laws.

> Tesla is indeed responsible

Sucks to be Tesla then! They can shut down their business and stop making cars, if they don't like the laws that allow consumers to salvage cars.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by eru »

dheera wrote: post #274
eru wrote: post #255

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What kind of change in law would you like to see that would outlaw them? As far as I can tell, aren't HOAs just 'built' out of standard contract law?

Yes, but so are non-compete agreements and discrimination, and laws can make those contracts invalid. I would like to see laws make HOAs invalid and null and void. If you own something you should have full control of it, to the extent that it doesn't adversely influence the safety of the community. So yeah I'm okay with laws saying you aren't allowed to store a pile of hazardous chemicals that could be a safety hazar…

> If you own something you should have full control of it, to the extent that it doesn't adversely influence the safety of the community.

Well, but that's just an issue of definition. By your peculiar definition, it just means that you don't own the home that comes with HOA encumbrance.

I don't think your peculiar definition is the same as the law normally uses. By itself, it's as fine a definition as long as everyone is careful in their use of words, and doesn't try to draw build moral arguments from issues of definition.

I'm not a lawyer. But I suspect that your first paragraph mentioning issues of discrimination might be able to have some legal firepower. I doubt you'd get much mileage out of anti-trust concerns, unless a particular HOA was dominating a housing market?

As for your second paragraph: those sounds like excellent reasons for an individual such as you or me NOT to buy a home that's part of a HOA. But they furnish no reason to outlaw HOAs, ie to forbid other people from forming them or joining them.

Re: Jailbreaking Used Teslas

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Post by hated »

londons_explore wrote: post #288
hated wrote: post #237

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You don't need to leave the antenna unplugged as that could trigger detection or burn up the antenna signal amplifier. You can put a dummy load on the antenna connector instead, nothing whatsoever will be able to detect it, and the radio hardware will never send or receive any signals.

> burn up the antenna signal amplifier No need for a dummy load. A cell modem that never received any signals never transmits.

Untrue, a cell modem can attempt an initialization sequence and you would never know about it.
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